Yes, but OTOH if "the" engine throws a rod thru the case in that 185, 'tis nowhere else, but down.
The 411 just keeps truckin' along at 13,000 ft, just a bit slower.

what gaives, you guys?
 

C'mon, you guys. The level of debate has turned into the "who's got the biggest you-know-what" variety. I agree with HotDog...you really need to spend more than 5 days in HK to really get to know the place. The bad press it seems to attract is really undeserved. HK has a lot going for it and I love spending time there. In fact, I would happily live there if the opportunity came up!!