They're a f#cking shower; that's what's going on,...

Do you have a more intelligent response?

Sadly not; caveat emptor as they say..Do your research..Plenty of previous comments on here and elsewhere about them.

I did so my research. So difficult for you to explain what is posted? Ridiculous

Turkpilot, it's simple. The contract you are about to sign will be changed on a whim, without consultation with you or anyone else. This has already happened and has had a major financial impact on the pilots of this group of airlines.
There is a pilots association - EAPA - which in the case of HKE has a membership of at least 70%, but HKE management refuse to talk to them or recognise them. It is a legally registered Union in Hong Kong.
If you worked in THY before you may be used to having no union representation, or having management ram contract changes down your throat, so this may or may not actually bother you. It's your decision.
For the record - the pilots employed by HKE/HKA in Hong Kong are probably the cheapest A320/330 pilots anywhere in China, on the worst contract terms and conditions in China.

For the record - living in mainland China is totally different from living in Hong Kong. There is a reason why the mainland carriers have to pay big $$$ to attract foreign pilots.....

On the money that HKA/HKE pay, it's not a great lifestyle. If you look at the cost of living in HK, the big $$$ suddenly seem very small $$$.

Turkpilot, If you have children, your money $$$ will become $. Schools here drain your money faster than a mistress, thats if you can find a school, near your area of residence. Remember the older the kids faster your money goes.

I think the money is Ok, if you are single and young or married without kids, stay your term with HKE/HKA enjoy HKG then move on to start a family.

The air is slightly dirtier. Is that what you mean?
The food and water is certain to be contaminated, rather than just 'probably' contaminated? Is that what you mean?
You'll work harder, and get more hassle from Chinese management? You should try HKA/HKE for a while - it's the same deal. HKA/HKE flies into PRC.
What's left....uh...schools? Read above comments.
Accommodation? Its cheaper and more spacious in China Mainland!
The 'social scene' is poorer? Maybe - but if you're busting your ass in HKE you won't do a lot of partying, you'll be too knackered - Max Duty/Min Rest, Single Day Off followed by 6AM start....where's the 'fun' in that? Probably better to make big money fast in PRC for a few years and then GTFO.

You'd think with all the 'benefits' (living in beautiful HKG, expanding airline etc) the cream of the industry would be beating a path to their door. But they aren't. They are struggling to attract qualified people. Guess why?

There are other airlines based in HKG, and they pay their FO's the same as a HKE/HKA Capt. and the T&C's are streets ahead (in spite of their constant whining).
HKE pilots haven't had a payrise in 5 yrs (4% p.a. inflation). Annual Leave is a pathetic 28 days. No Commuting.
Check it out.

Row_Bot is unfortunately correct on all counts.

Guys, im not turkish. I go by that name as i spent a few years living there. I also spent last 6 years working in China on the 737. I don't have kids so not a problem there. My friend is a current Captain at HKE, just started last year and he is only flying about 65 hours per month. Schedule is easy.

As for the terms, yes not the best for sure. Flying in mainland china sucked balls. Pay was great, and at the company i worked for (shenzhen airlines) they treated us well and didnt bother us too much i have to admit i enjoyed it to a point. But the delays, killed me.

I do have other opportunities so i might in the end not goto HKE. What concerns me most now is not how much money i make, but i want the job with the least amount of BS to deal with.

Turkpilot. I can assure you that at HKE, you will have minimum money and maximum BS. Don't jump from the frying pan into the fire.

Do you work there now?

I work in HK, and know of what I speak. There is NO aviation job in HK that now pays enough to have a decent lifestyle, and NO aviation job in HK that provides a livable schedule. You will regret coming here.

You are right, a young single captain will be able to do quite well at HKE. An FO With 1 or two kids will barely get by. A captain with one or two kids who lives a very conservative lifestyle might manage to save 1.5 to 2 k us per month. That is a very conservative lifestyle though.

If your taking home after tax 16,500 usd each month, and you can find a place in Tung Chung, or Lantau for 2500 USD, then why would you only be able to save so little???

You're not taking home 16.5 large a month for one thing. After tax ?

Here's the deal
 

Is it possible Hainan controls Pprune as well?

Anyone coming to Hong Kong, you should have read the posts from CX and KA boys&girls, so let me try to give you a briefing again.

HKExpress.
F/O with less than 1500 Jet Time: total package 56'250HKD/month
F/O with 1500<Jet Time<3000: total package 75'250HKD/month
F/O with more than 3000 Jet Time: total package 85'250HKD/month

Captain with less than 3000 Jet PIC: 114'000HKD/month
Captain with more than 3000 Jet PIC: 124'000HKD/month

That is up to 50hrs/month guaranteed.
From 50 to 60 hrs, F/O gets 500HKD/hour, Captain gets 800HKD/hour.
60 hours and above, F/O gets 650HKD/hour, Captain gets 1000HKD/hour.

3 levels of bonus, F/O average 60'000HKD/year, Captain 100'000HKD/year.

MPF 1500HKD/month (yes, one thousand five hundred dollars only) same for everyone.

No inflationary compensation, no increase whatsoever with the years of service. Loyalty is NOT rewarded.

28 days of Annual leave, take in blocks 8 days or more you get 4 days to travel.

No tickets back home. No Commuting. Annual Leave at the sole discretion of the GMF. Terrible most basic medical insurance by BoC. No school allowance.

F/O upgrades to Captains - 6 per year on average. Now there's 100 F/O in this company, do your math. The Director of Operations will even tell that nowhere have you signed to be upgraded to Captain.

Yes you can fly 100 hours/month and make a lot of money, but on average you can only fly 900hrs/year, so do your math on your average salary.

Cathay Dragon C-scale F/O year 1 compared to HKE Captain, having all the goodies in mind, makes only 10% less. And I haven't even started on Annual Leave.

Expenses in Hong Kong:
Housing: 25'000 - 40'000 (single or family) for anything decent.
Utilities: 4'000 - 5'000
Food: 10'000 - 20'000 (family or no family)
School: 8'000 - 13'000 (per kid, depending on the school and kids age)
Maid: 5'000 (and if you have a family you do need one in HK)
Tax: 15% if you're single, 10% if you have a family
Inflation: 4% per year

You still haven't gone out and had a beer with your friends, or paid the tickets back home.

If you're a single F/O and living modestly, or a single Captain just living OK, you could be saving some money. F/O on these terms will be struggling to get by, Captain on these terms will NOT be saving any money (or you could be saving zero anywhere else in the world, let's say your own country).

Anyone coming here will realise after a few months something is wrong.

Pilots have had enough. Turnover is 25%.

You do fly around 70 hours/month and you do it in 12 days, plus 4-5 standbys.

Everything else is below standard.

You have been warned.

Quick question. Do you guys thing 30K for a decent place on South Lantau is enough ? Whats your monthly living expenses for an older ( haha - no kids anymore ) couple with a normal lifestyle. Maybe Dinner once or twice a week, not drinking really, and otherwise just normal daily live !!! Any figures would be great !! Thanks all !!!

PM me. I'll give you a all the expenses.