Leave without pay again
 

Well its back again. So what are they going to do with this, pay us back if we take it, or not?? Personally, I don't think so.

Why not get innovative and just ask for Work without pay?

This is ULV not SLS, no repayment, promised, implied or should be anticipated ;)

They don't want much
 

I have no problem with unpaid leave, it may be perfect for some people and if it works for them great!
However what I find strange is that if you go for more than 90 days you loose all your entitlements .
Surely if they are looking for volunteers and someone wants 6 months off, why penalize them for helping out ?
Again it's all very one sided, I don't see a large uptake of the offer anytime soon Especially when some people cannot get the paid leave they want

I am going to go with the pay without work option.

Thats what my financial advisor recommends.
She wants another house.

Out of principle I don't agree to something with that much fine print. Shove it Herbie.

I'll consider it if I can get my owed annual leave when I bid for it. All together. Which won't happen. So gfys Hebert.

If people would take 2 seconds to think about it, and nobody took them up on this awesome "offer" then everyone would work less for the same pay. For the weak thinkers, that means everyone will get a higher pay rate, as they get the same pay for less work. That means everyone, including you. If people stick together (:ugh:) and do not fall for yet another scam, everyone will get more time off while making the same money.

That's 3 times: Nobody take ULV and you get more days off and still make the same money. That means more money and less work. See? Do you get it?

Why oh why would anyone fall for this trick?

I was talking about taking 3 months unpaid leave but I have now been committed to an asylum and will therefore now be off sick for 3 months!

See you soon I hope.

I work at the asylum
And get locked in an aluminium room frequently

A highly profitable airline that has made only a few small losses in it's history, has some !!!!ty fuel hedging and expects the crews to take it in the ass because of their incompetence.

$%*&#$%&* :mad: Dreaming!

The profit share formula has been re jigged so that the employees get bugger all these days. My suggestion is the work formula should be re jigged so that none of the pilots take leave and you pricks can suck it up for once!

Thanks Richard! :ok:

ULV
 

You don't have to take it if it doesn't suit you.
If it works for you and you want the time off to do other "things" then do it. If you can't afford it then don't do it. Why do you wankers make it sound so difficult? Don't answer that as WE already know!!!!!!
Cheers ladies.

totally agree route tuner...this forum is too full of pseudo intellects trying to tell others how to run their lives

That's because the way in which other pseudo-intellects run their lives significantly affects my life...

If nobody takes ULV, everyone will get many more paid days off, so this pseudo-intellect thinks getting effectively more pay for less work is much better than getting no pay for no work - and I can save my "leave" plans for when I have paid leave. The fact that contractually-required paid leave has not been awarded is another issue worthy of contract compliance....but what do I know, I'm just a pseudo-intellect.

Also, this "we would all get more days off" plan only works if they can't suck enough bored old guys or easily-fooled young guys into ULV, leading up to the next unnecessary SLS, which won't happen or be taken up until the conditions set during the last SLS are satisfied (25-yr housing, primarily). But again, what do I know?

I don't think a single Captain will consider SLS until we have all received back the gratuitous theft of our 10% from the last SLS. This company really knows how to motivate people. not. :ugh:

Agreed Tornado. That move has left a (still) very bitter taste in the mouths of many skippers. Well done oh boss of IATA.

b.

Except, you know it was not a theft: Pay was voluntarily given away in exchange for unpaid leave. The company awarded the unpaid leave as promised. The fact that they paid back 90% of the pay that was forfeited, without asking for the leave back, will never be seen as a theft by anyone. The money returned to employees, whatever the amount or percentage, was a bonus, whether you like it or not. In fact, captains ended up with more extra paid leave than anyone else, as much as 90% of 4 times more than most.

I.S

I'll make certain then that I'll run it by you first before I decide to take my family on holiday at a time that suits me with the extra leave that I have chosen to take AT MY OWN EXPENSE....if by foregoing my family holiday I can ensure that YOU get more paid days off at my expense...well lets see now...I'll be sure to give that option the consideration it deserves

Maybe but I don't recall it being "voluntary" unless you ignored the gun at your head!!

sorvad, it is not just at your expense, it is at my expense too. When flying is unusually busy, we get paid to work more. When flying is unusually light, we get more time off - unless guys like you fall for the scam, again.

Your CoS gives you 6 weeks leave for your family vacations, right? Mine too. Playing into the hands of the company when they don't want to stick to the CoS (ULV, freighter PX consent, continuing FACA pay/rules when FACA doesn't exist, etc.) cuts both ways when pilots don't stick to it either.

Personally. I was very happy with an extra 4 weeks off at 90% pay. If they want to do that again, I'm in!