All the times I have been in discretion, I have never been asked. Can't be intimidated if you are not asked, I suppose. It is just done.

Crew Control deducts your allowance when you are late. Just the reward for helping out.:ok:

Discretion used to be just that..discrete and not plastered all over PPrune...and everyone was willing to do it to bring home the bacon.

The company knew it and appreciated it by sharing the bacon.

As to why someone would even consider it now is beyond me.

It’s called intimidation.:=

Bloggs

True enough. I prefer to call it bullying. It only becomes intimidation if you succumb to the bullying.

I will still answer the phone when I needn't but there is no way I will fly out of hours anymore, for the very simple reason that it's like interpreting...all YOU can do is make a mistake...or in this case get ratted on.

If you always do the right thing then your actions will bear scrutiny. It wasn't me on this NY trip but it just as easily have been! I wasn't there but as I have said before, I probably also would have extended. Why? Its good for the company, my crew and for the pax...they want to get to NY, so as long as it is SAFE and LEGAL, why not!?

Before I go into discretion I ask all the crew, in a no-guilt manner, who wants to extend. If anyone says no, we don't extend....simple! I make it clear that it is my decision ultimately. I have declined on several occasions as well, on my own behalf, even though my crew were happy to extend. I am happy to stand in the CPs office and justify all my actions.

So airing it on PPRUNE is a detail...I like it as it got me thinking what I would do in the same situation. This was a good lesson how close you can get to the absolute duty limits even though it looked like a straightforward enroute diversion. Lessons learned...no jeopardy!


just my 2cents worth.

NC, I agree. We must help out when we can. After all, we should be grateful we are employed.

:ok:

A very good comment which rather encapsulates the whole sorry saga and change to modern CX "management" really.

Flight Time Extensions
 

And I Suppose You're All Taking Into Consideration That Under The Cx Flight Time Limitations It Is Perfectly 'legal' To Have Performed This 'extension' When The Crew May Have Just Flown A 16 Hour Sector The Previous Day!
It's Also Possible To Have Done Hkg-lax-hkg-lax-hkg Flying Everyday And Having Two Extensions On Both Lax-hkg Legs....
Who's Yawning Now?....answer?
Who Isn't!

BlunderBus

And that is the exact reason why a captain can decline an extension to a FDP. It is there in black and white. I personally have flown with a captain that declined a request to extend a FDP on a ULH opp for a similar reason. No one questioned his decision and there were no ramifications later on. His decision as far as I was concerned was based on valid reasoning.

Oh Bravo Titan tally ho old chap well said, out for the fox, blah blah blah. Your not even a Captain!

Try Hard

Change your handle to Flaccid..it far better suits your posts:ugh:

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