Cathay Pacific leaders taken us to the bottom in a vertical dive!
 

Rumour mill says!!!

Five Captains report to some level manager requesting that said manager put forward and support the idea of a commuting package to retain some experience. Said Manager informed the dreamers that this would not be a consideration!

These five experienced Captains resigned on the spot.

I am guessing the next generation of Cathay Captains will be those decision makers and HR personnel that currently don’t have a Airline Transport Pilot Licence, however will soon need too roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty! And fly those beasts that make an Airline money and give an Airline the name Airline.

I am not sure what a company that has a 180 wide body jets parked due to lack of crew!!! Maybe a taxi company.

The Future is here Cathay Taxi!

good news. hope more will resign ASAP.

Which proper airline offers a honest commuter deal that offers quality time at home, enough rest and fair salary? I could not name one.

Kalitta Air
$420,000 USD per year as a year 2 Captain.
2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. Better than any CX position.
Btw , it’s ‘an’ not ‘a’ commuter deal…..
Confused little man !

Complete BS. Salary at Kalita is much lower if you work only 2 weeks.

And it is a not an. Maybe next time post when sober?

I know of one good name amongst the rumoured 5 - be interesting to see if that’s the case or bull**** Chinese whispers. I hope there’s some truth here, they’ll have to wake up one day or you’d have to say CX will be consigned to the “another average Asian category” permanently.

Oh yes indeed little man, all the pilots at K4 only work 2 weeks per month. You need to get out more!
No wonder everyone says you are boring to fly with.

BTW Kalitta is spelt with two T’s

Ok, it’s “an” honest commuter deal. You’re both wrong…

Maybe Jim’s a union guy and knows the new contract coming up at Kalitta? It would have to be 20% + along with other perks. The 450K would probably require this payrise and a good Ol’ American work ethic.

I know a lot of folks had to stay at CX for financial reasons. Many of the lifestyle jobs out there also come with a far less toxic culture. It’s difficult to quantify the value of this intangible quality of professional life, yet I’d go as far to say that’s it’s significant. Again, the caveat being, you have enough money.

Also, Korean, regarding commuting and pretty much 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Money ain't great, but who cares.

Any reason Korean isn't a good option?

I personally would not choose it. It's 11 days, if you give up your leave, J class not guaranteed and the pay is mediocre.. Plus it's not a permanent contract, all expats got laid off immediately during Covid. I also doubt it is a good alternative to escape the culture at Cx.

The above proposed pay for Kalittta is not true, maybe half of that if you work 14 days. Before tax. He is right about the grammar though.

Disclaimer: I would love to have a commuting contract, I just haven't seen an honest one, in name only.

I think you are both wrong and I’d suggest meeting half way for K4 pay. Depends on fleet too. B777 is a holiday but low OT.

Maybe. But I don't think you do OT when you work 14 days either..

Maybe not all of the above but an airline desperate for trainers (in numbers and quality) and experience should definitely look into it.

I guarantee you, should they ever offer it, it will be the mother of a low ball. Yes, they gonna call it "commuting" contract, but it will be same hours compressed and your G days consecutive, no confirmed seat and all for less money.

Please remind me of US tax, health insurance, crime rate, location, before i send my application. Thanks! Is never good enough here, is always better "there".

Depends where you live.

Most pilots are in the 24 - 35% federal tax bracket. Many choose to live in states with no state income tax - especially with ‘gateway’ contracts like Atlas etc.

Health Insurance is typically a group policy. Cost for my family & I is approximately the same as would have been in HK under COS18.

Crime? No better/worse than any other western city.

In HK you might get away with paying 10-15% tax, but if you have kids in school (international), want a decent apartment, like to eat out a couple of times a week, Ocean Park, Disneyland, Concerts, other outdoor activities, there goes a large chunk of your salary, more so in HK because these things are considerably more expensive and no better quality than any other western countries. Just like the gulf countries.

I don't buy into the "my tax is lower than yours" argument because you just end up spending it elsewhere.

https://insidethemagic.net/2016/06/w...sive-to-visit/

The US Disney parks are way more expensive. Not that I care personally, you would have to pay me to go, but for the sake of the argument.

Ever rented a car in the US? It starts with 9.99 and at the end it's 50. Same goes for the "low tax". It does not paint the real picture. Check out the tuition fees at US universities, cost of a meal at a restaurant ( 20% "tip" is now considered the lowest acceptable) or groceries and cost of real estate in the cities. Also add the annual real estate tax. My place in HK would cost me 15 000 USD tax every year, until I die. Of course you always could live on a farm in Kansas and marry your cousin, but the truth is that the US is not cheap wherever it is nice. And the 420k pay for 14 days at Kalitta is a phantasy.

Having said that, it is true that you can have a good lifestyle with a major captain salary, just very difficult to achieve as foreigner, I certainly don't want to bash the US in general, it is a great country, but the discussion is a bit pointless since 99% of those working for Cathay do not have a green card. Not sure why this US argument always pops up here, it's a red herring.

Not everyone in the US has to go to University, but everyone has to go to high school in HK... Anyway, I wasn't referring to HK v USA specifically, could use any western country. Agreed, I couldn't care less. Theres good and bad for both. Point I was trying to make, just because you pay less tax here, more tax there, you end up spending it anyway.