3 days unfit call with no doctors note. How long is CNY? Seems too easy.
AOA? Don’t need them.
Good luck to all those who have made travel plans during CNY with this outfit.

The mis-Managers are ****ting themselves. If there are canceled flights over CNY there may be a real investigation. The lie that the aircrew have been going sick will be revealed, as will the incompetence of the mis-Managers.

Sickness rates over xmas where actually lower than normal. The lack of reserve was due to the scramble by Crew Ops to man the flights tasked by Airline Planning. We never had the crew to hit 70%.

Spot on ! They sold way too many flights, we could never crew them and they though they could get away with it.
They were late reactivating crew post Covid or return transfer pilots where needed. I am afraid the damage in image is extensive and difficult to repair.
Still no heads rolling though.

Why are you so worked up about canceled flights? I could not care less. Nobody else cares. One minute you claim Cathay is imploding, the next it is not growing fast enough.What would be different for any of you if they had scheduled 10 flights less over Christmas? Completely irrelevant to us. Everybody in the industry and government knows it's all a joke. The very same government who shut down HKIA for years is now complaining about cancelled flights. It's a charade, a distraction, a joke. It's so obvious, how can you take this farcical show seriously?

The reason it matters is that the managers are lying about the reasons for cancelled flights. They are blaming the pilots.

It also matters that innocent passengers are having their holidays ruined by the incompetent managers.

Didn't hk government give cathay a few billions hkd to ease cathay's cash flow situation due to the madness hk government was insisting on? Cathay took the money and never used it. Instead cathay did what has made it an international pariah for which pilots (or any other employees) don't want to work for unless they have to. Hk government offered a second handout also which cathay didn't even take this time.

What are your thoughts on this? I think hk government has a strong case to make regarding how they provided and offered cash to keep exactly the current situation, but cathay decided to do otherwise and hence they are in this situation.

I do agree with your characterization of hk government as being duplicit as it always has been. Causing a collapse of hk in general by very stupid policy mistakes when it was obvious what a disaster ot would cause in the long run. As in all things, it's always at a time of crisis when competence can be measured, not when it's all going well and normal. They puked all over themselves when it really counted, more than ever.

Vendetta, I think you are confusing the bailout (39 Billion) with a credit line (7.9 Billion). The former was urgently required and indeed immediately used for recapitalisation in 2020, the latter as part of the package kept as reserve and on hold due to the incalculable length of the lockdown. Cathay raised about 12 billion in rights shares for every existing 11 shares held, 19.5 billion in preference shares for the government and additional warrants of 2 billion.
Your assumption that Cathay never used any state money is not correct.

Additionally, the bailout did not include any conditional agreeements as in preservation of all staff on current pay or similar. It can be safely assumed the government is not losing sleep about lower terms for expats, they probably celebrated it, after all they are now a shareholder and as such entitled to dividends. They also have voting rights as member of the board, they are involved in any strategic decision.

So far Cathay paid out north of 1.5 billion to HK gov, more to come. Them pointing fingers regarding the cancelations is as laughable as management accusing pilots, a complete travesty.

[QUOTE]The reason it matters is that the managers are lying about the reasons for cancelled flights. They are blaming the pilots.[/QUOTE]

But why does that matter?

[QUOTE=SloppyJoe;11590270]didn’t they say it was because they didn’t plan enough reserve?

[QUOTE=cadetjockey;11590337]And they couldn’t plan more reserve as they don’t have enough pilots.

”There’s a hole in my bucket dear Liza, dear Liza…”

Under CAD regulations, CX is required to have a minimum number of flights covered under reserve rostering. What the flight cancellations has exposed is thar CX is not meeting its regulatory obligations. What they are in effect doing is rostering against the CAD requirements, but lets all laugh our way to the bank as CX is making money.

Its okay to break the rules, after all they are holding back our schedules and that stops us making billions to pay the government back, isn't that right Meursault?

The dozen flight cancellations a day was the only way they could bring themselves back under the percentage reserve requirement.

The point of my post was, hk government can easily say we gave you all that money/credit so you wouldn't end up gutted. Yes we lost our mind proving how silly we really are in policy making. When it comes down to a crisis, we fall sideways out of our chair doing the most damage to ourselves. But we gave you all this money to prevent you from falling apart. How did you manage/mismanage to still fall apart?

Are they really celebrating about expats getting the shaft by cathay? Its the reason cathay is in such a desperate place with lack of pilots. And hk government is crying about exactly this. They're crying about rolling cancelations of flights due to... lack of pilots. They might have been not losing sleep about it initially but they sure are now and will well into the future. We'll deserved outcome of incompetence, by both hk government and cathay.

. . . . . . and the staff travel.