Command on A320
 

Seems like a lot of Airbus FOs are going to the 320 for command, any news?

Yes, it's deemed an on-fleet upgrade.

So how many years from FO to command?

Nobody knows if you join now.
Not a career airline anymore.

They can't even tell ex Dragon captains when they will do their relief command check, let alone a command upgrade. But senior managers meet every 3 weeks to discuss the 5 year plan.:ok:

The ex-Dragon pilots are being put on hold again, instead local SOs are being pushed through as the mis-managers now calculate that the SOs are so inexperienced that they will be reaching command without the required hours.

Some of the Dragon pilots have completed 330 ground courses, not touched the aircraft but are now being lined up for the 350 as they will meet Relief requirements and can be fast tracked to that role.

The 777 pilots remain unusable as there are simply not enough trainers on that fleet.

Relief requirement only when 3000 hrs on CX Airbus, all the Airbus time in KA is not counted

Is that Flight Op’s pettiness or a legitimate operational requirement? Certainly doesn’t seem a smart way to ramp up operations quickly.

I think that 3,000 hour comment was tongue-in-cheek. In the past, relief FOs only needed 20 sectors on type post check, 200 hours on Company aircraft and 2 PC renewals since joining the Company.

It is unlikely that the ex KA pilots will upgrade ahead of seniority. There are plenty of FO’s reaching the 4000 hour mark who have been in cathay for 9+ years and they should be prioritised. Combine that with the lack of trainers and sectors , it will probably be 3-4 years before they can upgrade to captain to be optimistic. Realistically probably more like 5-7 years. CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.

Wow are some of those left at CX really so delusional? Weren’t ex-CX commanders invited back to CX with their old seat rank? Wouldn’t that be accommodating outsiders for commercial expedience?

you might like to ask the FOs who have not even got PR about receiving command letters, in some cases 9 years out of seniority…

Ex KA all hired as JFO not sure if you can be relief qualified as a JFO so you need 3000 hrs on CX Airbus to upgrade to FO and then do you relief qualification.....please correct me if I am wrong

JFO no longer exists, it FO1 and FO2. An FO1 can be relief qualified and are entitled to an additional allowance.

How is it out of seniority? If they are the next most senior pilots who meet the requirements ie hours? You want them to stop all
command upgrades until you have the hours and not allow anyone junior to upgrade....let's be realistic. tbf they have followed seniority in selecting people for command upgrade so far. Don't forget you also have to put your hand up, plenty of senior experienced FOs for whatever reason aren't putting their hands up for Command.

Complete rubbish. Read the Minimum Qualification and Experience Requirements in OPS-A.

"For whatever reason..." I guess the primary reason is the absolute **** CN roster and the fact that you can end up your career on the A320....better stay FO or leave.

The Dragon pilots are on FO1 pay. The company doesn't recognize their hours for the pay bands, but does recognize their hours for promotion to RQ or command.

What has PR got to do with anything? If you have the right to work in HKG you have the right to work in HKG.

Fighting over the scraps, how cute, good luck fellas Cx has your best interests at heart I’m sure……