Roster Publication Date
 

Cx Publishing rosters on 22nd has got to stop. This has gone on long enough.

Not only do we have to use up leave for quarantine hotels but we don’t get to know far enough in advanced if we can even book hotels due to late roster publication!

Make them stop this blatant transgression of ANO.

Write to the CAD.

enough is enough.

Should post this on Yammer. Not that it will bring change anyway.

As the old saying goes; if you don’t like it, leave.

“Write to the CAD”

Hate to burst your bubble, but CXi is the CAD :yuk:

It’s only taken you 2.5 years to notice the delayed rosters? Sounds like another 777 to$$er who’s been sat in hemingways the whole pandemic on full pay and suddenly being asked to work again.

The roster publication date wasn’t much of an issue was it when you had 31 G days to enjoy.

Prime example of how toxic the 747 fleet is.

Those pilot hating managers love the flexibility a late roster gives them and they won't be giving it up.

Haha! Lucky for you Hemingway’s is no more, I guess they’ll have to find somewhere else :*

Are we talking masochism? This
is a requirement for CX now.

I’m not sure what the relevance of this post is?

Why Hemmingways? How about the 777 guys who have been in Europe, Oz or NZ on G days for the past two years AND on full pay, whilst some of us have done God knows how many days of MS with hundreds of PCR tests.

Excellent.

Pilots slagging pilots for something that was out of their control.

That’s how we’ll affect change :D

...and others lost their jobs despite being stood down on ZERO pay.

Wait... it's 2022 and people are still accepting the insane working conditions at CX? How on earth is anyone still putting up with that circus? And you're blaming other pilots for the fact you cant find another job in this market?

Thanks for the chuckle

well let’s hear it, what’s your incredible solution?

we’re all ears..

I don't know what you are talking about. Without a green card the job market is terrible.

Fully agree. Childish.

Summed it up perfectly. I’m more than happy to pay a bit extra in tax since it’s getting me out of HK.

Speaking of seniority, I was tracking a few names on the bottom of the seniority list from early 2020 and there’s a quite a few that have jumped over 1000 places in that time.

But COS18 is still very competitive :E

Frank, we all know the situation in HK is terrible. We also all know that the money is less than before. I hence don't get your point. I was talking about the job market, and any other definition than "terrible" is a hard sell in my opinion. Nevertheless, some will leave anyway, and that's great. But, except for Piet of course, senior guys will suffer financially or risk unemployment. You can ask those who joined Longtail for the latter. For some this sacrifice and risk is not acceptable, for whatever reasons. I don't think you intend to belittle those who are in this unpleasant situation, but it could come across as if, wouldn't I know your usually more sensitive remarks in here.

Tell us you're a toxic POS without actually saying it.

This is a common statement in all your responses STW.

Are you omitting the facts in your defence? You seem to deflect the reality in what’s happening.

You now seem content in defending those individuals who continue to endure COS 18 and HK. I think we know the reasons now, you don’t need to justify why these people live with this suffering.

Fragrant Harbor has become a forum where people will justify the insufferable conditions imposed on them.

It’s time to see what pilots value is outside of HK in different fields. Transferable skills is real, the problem is that pilot egos can’t deal with the removal of the title ‘pilot’

COS 18 and the lifestyle associated with it continue whilst people like you defend it.

I just said the situation is "terrible". To see that as "defending" Hong Kong or "omitting the facts" is absurd.

Additionally, as an adult, not so much as a kaBOY, one must make a decision by evaluating the alternatives, often bound by a number of responsibilities. One day you might understand. Or not.

Firstly, spewing random vitriolic comments at pilots doesn’t help anything. Nobody wants to be in this situation and there has always been a lot of empathy for people who were flying in ****ty conditions from those who were ‘on 31 G days’. So your anger is very much misplaced I believe. Plenty of the people on here were volunteers with the assistance group etc when they were not working.

As for a solution, this is the kind of thing the Union should be organising strike action for. This whole situation of working conditions is the biggest threat to mental health and aviation safety we have ever seen. We should all be standing up to the Gov and CX saying ‘No more of this’.

Now, I think we all know that will never happen as our Union is weak and the company will not support us beyond gentle words. So it’s up to you.

I’m talking to people at work, the stress and worry associated with all of this really makes people unfit to fly in my opinion. So take control and call in sick. Many aren’t earning about MPP anyway, so limit your work.

Stress leave and fatigue sign-off and return-to-works are being assisted by aviation doctors in HK. They very much understand and are more than happy to help, going above and beyond in this regard.

Plenty of people taking some very well earned time away from HK with their family in the UK, Aus and USA just now with long term sick.

I really don’t understand why more people aren’t doing this.

Sitting on here getting angry at one another doesn’t help anything.

I don't see a contradiction between your decisions and my comments. I know you don't want to belittle those who did not leave (yet), but maybe you see the situation too much from your own perspective. There are many people in HK who suffer and would want to leave but simply can't do so. People have different responsibilities, maybe a local wife, debt, the wrong passport, kids who are about to graduate in a school they like, a sick local mother-in-law, no command hours and maybe another year to get one in Cathay etc etc. To tell these individuals how better life is elsewhere, which is not exactly a state secret in the first place, or how stupid / masochistic/ blind/ obedient they are because they stay is not very helpful.

Thank you

‘​​​​​​You now seem content in defending those individuals who continue to endure COS 18 and HK. I think we know the reasons now, you don’t need to justify why these people live with this suffering.

Fragrant Harbor has become a forum where people will justify the insufferable conditions imposed on them.’

Do I need to keep quoting?

I appreciate the reference to being a BOY, it seems your intellect is arguing with someone on an immature level.

This is the intellect CX needs to keep pilots.

While we're at it, please tell the nasty 777 pilots the incredible solution they should have used for something completely out of their control.

We're all ears...poes.

What day DO you want the roster to be published? Was it better before? Before when?

Does anyone really care anymore. Those that have gone are living lockdown free lifestyles in the rest of the world, plenty of flying jobs for those who still want them. The boiling frogs that remain have a reason or justification for staying, good luck to them.

The real fun will be when the financial "analysts" realise that all of those not so shiny jets on the CX asset register have no one to fly them. Currently not even enough captains to fly the 20 odd 777s that are in Hong Kong let alone the 30 plus parked ones. Almost zero interest in the appalling contract offered HK express hiring and haemorrhaging crew to increasingly aggressive EK,QR and QF recruiters. If the best they can do is just crew an airline that is losing billions due to a massively reduced schedule, how on earth will they ramp up and ever return to profit?

GMA would be getting nervous, Directors need someone to blame for their mistakes

Bang on mr did.

STW keeps banging on that there are no jobs out there. Bolocks. I've never seen anything like it. Take your pick.

GMA should be more nervous than a cat in a room full of rocking chairs. DFO similar. How do you short cx shares?

Here in Canada…

Air Canada has 900 vacancies.

Porter is hiring DEC on the E195.

Morningstar is hiring 757 F/O.

Jazz is hiring DEC.

Flair is hiring.

Canada Jetlines just received their AOC.

should have got rid of them all or at least put them all on long term unpaid leave.

must be the only Pilots in the world who have been paid fully for 2.5 years to do absolutely nothing.

The airline doesn’t need them except for filling the gaps on the jumbo.

off you go…

Catlady, the salient ( and very obvious) point of Bokspiel is that nothing what you mentioned is in any control of us, independent of the fleet you are on. Blaming pilots for simply following their roster with 31 G's is silly.

Frank, sure, if you think a lot of people in Cx are like frogs, by all means. I personally have never met such an individual. In my experience every pilot is always looking at alternatives, market movements etc. From day one to his retirement. And then the individual differences. Surely a Senior First Officer has naturally a different perspective than a Captain 60 yrs+ etc. Generalisations are not helpful. But fair enough, I think you mean well.

See Eggs, I am not Canadian, as 95 % in here, but DEC for Jazz? That is 50k HKD before tax with a base in Halifax. No thank you.

Flying Clog, why is it that you guys are so keen to convince everybody else to quit? Cui Bono?? We all know our financial and family situation, we know how much we work, we know how much days we are in quarantine or waiting for a test result, all of it. And we also for sure know the jobs on offer. And I know that you yourself did not quit, but let go. Small detail. And I know what you earn and work now, not a bad job for sure, but really a lot of work for not a lot of money. Again, maybe it's still ok for a lot of people to leave anyway, their decision, fair enough! But with big pay sacrifices at stake ( except for Piet of course) at least it is debatable if leaving now, with most of it behind us, injallah, smart.. I miss that part in your and other's line of argument. The thing is: I accept your decision( if getting fired can be called a decision :-) but you mock the ones who don't leave. Think about that.

MrDid, I could not care less about the thoughts of anybody on any floor in CX. So we have not enough pilots? Great! I hope they get it wrong. I hope the opening up will get them into trouble. Profit of CX? I could not care less. Even in good times I got 5 months bonus or 200 HKD whatever is less. I don't get all that speculating on the crew bus about who flies what on which fleet in the future. Nobody knows anyway.

PS and to bring a bit juice into this sleepy forum: Early 2023 HK and China will open up and demand for air travel will explode.

I full agree with much of STW's post -
Other than paras 1 and 5 - posted I feel out of frustration and genuine dislike of his employers actions. I disagree with him but he makes honest positive and useful contributions to this forum which is much more than can be said about much if the juvenile drivel posted by the hate brigade.
The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it.

eh, you having dinner with JL? Texting Xi? OR, just baseless ‘card reading’? You seem so ‘cock sure’. Give us the details Merlin.

Papa 123 'The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it'. This doesn't of course suit your 'hate' stance but you know that it is happening even now.
Another new A350 -1000 arriving next week I see.

Another one you don’t really need, going direct ASP is it!! ( yes I know it’s not )

ACMS Are we to understand that you are an expert on Cathay aircraft needs......or perhaps just another prat with nothing better to do than post meaningless rubbish ...sad !

CP is obv getting through to you old chap.
Maybe time to lay off the sauce whilst posting.
Prat aside, which he isn’t, what exactly are the boutique haemorrhaging cash airline with no real punters, a non existent network devoid of even transit pax, going to do with a brand new A50-1000 and it’s associated leasing costs etc. ? I suspect the only reason they’ve accepted it is at Airbus’ insistence.