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doublelift 3rd Jul 2021 12:07

Ex KA captains being offered JFO position
 
Speechless to CX management
soon will see FOs teaching captains flying the neo

Rie 3rd Jul 2021 14:06

You expected direct commands for everyone? Would never have happened. Only way to get DEC is to go to UO but even then I cannot see that going down all that well.

Krone 3rd Jul 2021 17:51

A number of ex ka A320 skippers were in their early to mid 30s. 10years in CX, to make an early command on the 320, after doing some long haul in between. Still under 45 . Tell that to the Americans.

KA used to take on FOs in their early 50s , with heaps of command airline time . Thats seniority. It can be a bummer when it works against you.

However, Its all rather better than being unemployed and unrated.


Fly747 4th Jul 2021 03:54

No seniority
 
There is no more seniority. Some of them won’t be FO for very long, they will be needed in the LHS.

LongTimeInCX 4th Jul 2021 05:29

It’s very simple.
Which position currently pays more, CX FO or KA Capt?
Also depends on perspective. Are they lucky to have a job, or unlucky to have lost one?
Do I consider myself lucky to have left last year - most certainly!

The KA fallout has however had unfortunate collateral damage. The scurrilous lobbying by many of the ex KA guys of local Legco members and politicians, could well be the reason why many much longer serving CX staff on bases, which are closed/closing, who were
never given work visas, are now unable to continue flying in HK, unless granted a visa. How likely that is, can be anyone’s guess.

Imagine how galling that is when a based 13/14 yr cx crew, who joined with significant previous and/or military time, is now effectively displaced by a spotty local who spent 1-2 yrs with KA.
All somewhat ironic.

Therefore any complaints from exKA crew who are being given the option of a job, are likely to fall on deaf ears, although personally, I wish them well.

Bangaluru 4th Jul 2021 06:28

Cathay advertised FO and SO positions. Who expected Cathay to offer direct entry commands?

BalloonBuster 4th Jul 2021 07:19

Fly747

Indeed, some won’t be FO very long since they will not make it through the training.

Still a large number of OZ, Canadian and Brits in the C&T department who have friends on bases that have been kicked out to make room for the KA bunch that went crying in court.
If i was a new joiner now, i would be very worried about the upcoming check and training

Fly747 4th Jul 2021 07:25

I don’t think so BB, they will be trained by and well known to the 7 x DECs from KA that are running the Neo fleet.

852pilot 4th Jul 2021 08:01

BalloonBuster

Don’t forget to bring this over to EK and treat the princes like that.
Or you get yourself and your kind famous and never get a job.

Angel 8 4th Jul 2021 08:10

Some really bitter and twisted comments above.
Thats why, in Aviation, its always, always, good to remember: What Goes Around, Comes Around.
Don’t upset people on your way up, as you might have to deal with them on your way down…
I wish all the best to all who will have a job, enjoy it with dignity.

Mill Worker 4th Jul 2021 08:47

Is this correct? Based Pilots being sacked as they hire externally?

Bueno Hombre 4th Jul 2021 10:05

Some keen First Officers, know, and can teach, the stuff that needs to be taught', better than established Captains

deja vu 4th Jul 2021 10:14

All very predictable sadly. No more seniority, DEC while long term cx guys laid off.

All those who turned the AOA into a toothless tiger over the last 25 years need to hang their heads in shame.

Bueno Hombre 4th Jul 2021 10:19

doublelift

If First officer knows more about the operation of the type, what is wrong about that during the training process?

deja vu 4th Jul 2021 10:22

Bueno Hombre

You know it, your like minded buddies know it but somehow the training department don't know it, funny that.

Jamesd03 4th Jul 2021 10:50

Bueno Hombre

Maybe there's nothing wrong? Fresh eyes always helped. New perspective could make things better?

FlightoftheNavigator 4th Jul 2021 16:15

Sorry, but it's not our fault that you bet on the wrong horse. As many KA crew have said, often and loudly, it was very good while it lasted. And now that it's gone, you expect to just rock up at cx and take a command slot away from someone who's worked their way up over 10+ years? You're already taking an FO slot away from some 5+ year SO! Should be thankful you're not joining as an SO at the bottom of the seniority list, like most of us did!
And sorry to break it to all you "skygods", but the 320 is just another commercial jet... Not some magical new invention that's gonna have us all scratching our heads wondering how to operate.

Flex88 4th Jul 2021 21:15

Don't upset ??
 
Angel 8

You obviously do not know what you're talking about.. Upsetting people on the way "up" at CX is EXACTLY why the Swire Princelings promote them.. Most don't have the stomach for it but the ones there from the 3rd floor & up today and all those before them who left with their big bonus cheques are masters of the art !

Dan Winterland 5th Jul 2021 10:23


And sorry to break it to all you "skygods", but the 320 is just another commercial jet... Not some magical new invention that's gonna have us all scratching our heads wondering how to operate.
That's true. the 320 is easy to operate, but marginally harder than the 330. What is more difficult is the high threat short haul environment in the PRC in which these aircraft will mostly operate and which CX don't have a great deal of experience. I suspect the CX management realize the best way to prevent racking up more demerit points and getting the airline banned from the PRC is to leave it to the experts..

fatbus 5th Jul 2021 12:14

Popcorn time!


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