Hugo, Half the people in Hong Kong know of someone who breached quarantine rules when it was still house arrest or someone who doesn't care about going for a little party when under medical surveillance. Putting it on social media for the government and company to see is just insanity especially when job cuts are looming.

You can liken it to the people who stormed the Capitol building and posted about it before being arrested. I am not saying these people are fine to do this, they are oxygen thieves as they cannot follow a simple order. The main thing is if you do such things then why incriminate yourself on social media?

It's just narcissistic arrogance. I think the Speak Up platform is great. Internal, requires action, anonymous. Perfectly suited to volunteers!

Isn't group gathering in HK limited to two people? Why are people defeating the purpose by gathering in groups of twenty in private places? Where is the regulation to that?

It's all under CAP599. The same one meaning we cannot have dinner past 6pm. The group gathering law is only applicable under a public place. So any group gathering in private residence is not restricted.

this is exactly why the virus is still spreading when no one takes self discipline in social distancing. look at NZ and AU, all the private gathering rules past few months, look at Singapore... and then you see your mates' instagram gathering in big home parties...

Karen, all these places are doing is delaying the inevitable. They can isolate to to their borders, but they are just preventing herd immunity and will go through the same spikes later on.

Herd Immunity seems to be working really well in the UK..... not.

Sqwak7700

Yeah sure......

"Herd immunity" is a euphemism. What those who propose it as a strategy really mean is survival of the fittest. Now, that could well be the reality in the end, depending on the success of vaccines, but maybe a more transparent communication would be more honest..

https://www.newscientist.com/article...t-be-possible/

Pity this virus doesn't target stupid and not the infirm.

There’d be almost no-one left

Well that email solidifies what we feared, it looks like we have the answer. It is no longer a rumour but a reality to face shortly. 5 weeks on 2 weeks off. Finally a commuting roster?

Well, if commuting to DB or Tung Chung is your thing!

come on! give us our vaccines already! where are they? many of my friends in other countries (different countries) have gotten them!

Herd immunity" is a euphemism.
No, it is an effect that is seen in longitudinal epidemiological studies. As the population that can be further infected diminishes the opportunity for transmission reduces and the case rate therefore drops off. At some point general transmission ceases, but reservoirs may remain.

What those who propose it as a strategy really mean is survival of the fittest.
Maybe, maybe not. CFR will tend to increase as societies ability to mitigate the illness is overtaxed. Countervailing issue is slowing rates by drawing out the timeline has consequences that may also result in loss from other matters; depression/violence/suicide/health effects associated with increased poverty, etc. Mutation is not directly a time effect, it is related to the cycles of infection that occur, the probability of a replication error, and the probability that the error is viable.

Disciplied personal hygiene remains the most effective infection control measure, which includes reducing contact opportunities. Vaccination will alter transmission rates, but to be globally significant the combination of resiatance (# vaccination x vaccine efficacy) + hygiene measures (contact reduction, PPE, fomite control etc) has to impact somewhere between 75 and 85% of the population. That includes all population, children, teenagers, youngbadukts etc, not just the aged, infirm or those with co-morbidities.

CFRs continue to be underreported due to methodology, the cases that result in current fatalities are those from 10 to 30 days before, not todays number of total cases. That suggeats that the true CFR in the cold light of day is around 3 to 4 times higher than the reported figure, enough to be a problem. Counter to that, the total cases are much higher than the detected cases, so, the realnrate will be determined in future post event analysis, and that could be higher or lower tham current reported cases. Early on, the undetected cases were around 20 x reported cases, they dropped off to around 10 x innthe last Q of 2020, now... Probably lower again.

Sucks

Rie

I don't think it's quite as simple as that. This would have been closer to the truth on Cos08. But don't forget, on Cos18 you get zero credit unless the park brake is off. So, it's three weeks on followed by four weeks of unpaid leave, at least two of which are spent in jail. ;-)

I had no idea I worked with so many people who actually believe the virus is the existential threat. The response is orders of magnitude more dangerous to working age people and kids. That’s in the developed world. I can’t imagine the suffering in the less fortunate places around here. Imagine starving children to get people another year of life. That’s the average years of life lost so far by the way, 1, per COVID death. Pathetic.

All you morons bleating about how herd immunity isn’t real, of course it is, that’s how vaccines work. The disease is endemic, its not going anywhere, and locking the world down indefinitely only delays the inevitable. We will all be fighting for food before we go back in time, to a time when there was no COVID. That is magical thinking.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...t-be-possible/

FDR: This is a scientific study of cases of multiple re-infections in the city of Manaus. In other words: herd immunity did not happen there, apparently the mutation was too different. Your argument does not include this possibility, you are treating herd immunity as a proven effect. It is not.

I am not an expert, I am not saying herd immunity doesn't exist, but it looks like it is uncertain if it can be achieved in the case of Covid. We simply don't know yet.

I believe a lot of people proposing herd immunity in reality see themselves as robust enough to survive an infection. It is a euphemism for saying: let nature decide, the weak and old will die, the rest will live. As I said, it may be our faith anyway, but I suggest to be more honest about it. Herd immunity has not materialized anywhere so far, even in countries with minimal social measures and high infection rates ( e.g. Brazil). On the other hand, so far the countries with strong policies and lockdowns suffered significant less casualties. Again, maybe the number of subsequent victims are higher in the end as with no lockdown, no idea.

Tiredofstupid, self-righteously simplifying a complex problem and insulting everybody around you.. after 4 years of that circus,maybe time to be an adult again?

Does the govt really think putting crew in a hotel for 2 weeks is going to bring the covid numbers down?

That’s the point. They neither care nor think about the implications to aircrew. Knee jerk reactions to
the slightest of ill informed non empirical advice.
Still it’s a nice way of getting rid of that pesky gweiloh airline and letting CZ or China Southern steam in.

Agree, Carol. useless.

Globo. But why would a government first invest billions in an airline and then deliberately destroy it?

These politicians hv to be seen to be doing something. If ****e hits fan they will say "at least we tried".

And btw yes, A Gweilow airline, run by Gweilows operating in a Chinese city is bad optics.

Cathay has stakeholders from all over the world, China, Qatar, public stocks, and the HK government... Augustus is not a Gweilo..
Agree regarding political economics, might be just that, a government demonstrating they try..

Sam Ting Wong

That is the million dollar question. Or 22 Billion dollar question. I see the long arm of our friends to the North in this.
Deliriously happy to be proved wrong of course.

So will CX get enough ‘volunteers’ for this?

Would anyone actually be willing to put their health on the line for a company that has done nothing but take from the pilots?

Surely there would have to be some incentive for the people who sign up.

I mean, if people had more common sense and the rich dude didn't illegally quarantine on his yatch, inviting his dance cluster mum or grandmum, whatever it is; or if the mainland prostitute didn't stay in HK illegally and worked while asymptomatic, there wouldn't be a fourth wave. The Singapore Hong Kong bubble would have gone ahead, air crew would still be exempted from hotel quarantine.

The govt policies don't make sense, but it seems like people don't take it seriously enough to want to bring back a normal life. Why are people still meeting up for barbecues and hanging out in large groups indoors? Does this not defeat the 2 people in public rule and social distancing purpose? And why are schools and beaches shut but crowded new year flower markets going ahead?

Sam Ting Wong

To get seats on the board and ensure it’s demise perhaps 🤔

CP management have been nothing short of pathetic in supporting their staff through this pandemic and heads should roll. The way this is being handled with absolutely no respect and in clear violation of human rights (quarantine torture!) is downright criminal! It would not be unreasonable to think that Beijing is working on bringing down CP to achieve a very cheap acquisition for mainland China!!

She’s obviously been told to get cases down to zero or single digits. So that out border to the North can open. Where they, of course, have no cases.
BTW, I have a nice piece of investment property in Belarus to sell you. Excellent development potential. Only trace elements of caesium, xenon etc. discernible.

Jetdream

There's never an incentive.
They said to freight crew they'd pay them another months salary if they signed to POS18 and work a certain average number of hours before April. Crew signed only to after have everyone work below that average number so they don't get paid.
Not the first time CX has deceived their staff?

Why not lockdown whole city with strict curfew and going out only allowed with papers and permits? One month of this and you see cases back to single digit. Why drag on?

Jetdream

Guaranteed 70 hrs every other month. There you have it
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against human rights
 

The UN human rights carta states that it is a human right to work. For exercising my human right a government would like to put me in solitary confinement. No, I have not committed a crime. We are serving the Hongkong people, no matter if I was born here or not. The people of Hongkong need the things that we fly in. So show us some respect, because we spend already lots of time in solitary confinement. It is not a one way street, we give but you HK government you have to give something back.

putting Augustus there makes it a non Gweilo airline?

Actually the bail out billions is not mainland money but HK treasury money -think about that.

Carol : the scenario you paint is what we have here in Cyprus. Cases have dropped. I just wonder if by being locked up, curfewed, paper permits etc meant that the numbers available to be tested went down (rhetoric) and of course claims of successful strategy would abound. We then move forward to the NWO. Easy.

Backupnav

7 week cycles to start on 15 Feb perhaps? 70 hours spread over 2 months, always under 46.67.

It's really exciting to be let in limbo about the quarantine, adds a bit of spice

Where is the data that supports this quarantine requirement?

How many aircrew have

1.) brought in COVID, and
2.) slipped through the mandatory testing and self isolation requirement to go on and cause local virus transmission?

How does it stack up against local transmissions from other sources?

CX and HKA should challenge this idiocy in court. Hong Kong is not a dictatorship just yet.

Sam Ting Wong

Absolutely. Also enthralling to see the stoic grumblers already talking about volunteering.