"Hiring on radar for Cathay next year"?
 

Today on The Standard:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...thay-next-year

Cathay Pacific said it has no plans to sack more staff and is considering hiring pilots and flight attendants again next year.

Cathay chairman Patrick Healy said staff members can see their salaries return to previous levels if they fly more and denied accusations of double standards with its pay cut packages for frontline staff and top management.

“We have plans to recruit new pilots. As far as cabin crew are concerned, taking into consideration the number of passengers and the time needed to recruit and train them, we expect to start recruiting flight attendants in the second half of next year,” Tang said.

“Cathay forced its staffers to sign a new contract, which will see their salaries capped permanently and become cheap labor, but the directors and senior management, receiving HK$50 million [per year], only have their remuneration capped for a year,” Wan said.

There are always "plans" to hire new pilots, it's just that the time frame is very flexible: I'm absolutely sure they will recruit new pilots next decade (assuming we still exist).

OTOH, the newbies might all be Captains.

This will be to re hire the ka local pilot pool in my opinion. I think cx has a fight there they are not going to win while still employing work visas holders. With the direct entry captain allowance. Ex Ka locals can be recruited directly into the seat they were, without having to train cx pilots onto the 320 fleet. I believe it will happen sooner rather than later.

OK4Wire

I felt it was a pathetic response to questions as to how they managed to fire people when taking a handout from the taxpayer.

fly1981

Got to make it past the interview first!

they will make it.

I think there is a much stronger chance of training people who are not currently flying at all in CX onto the A320 before hiring anyone. A lot of those not flying are very keen to get into anything that is moving for job security. The last round of 747 spots were rumoured to be massively oversubscribed.

If any hiring of external applicants one would think it would be to Air Hong Kong (A330) or Hong Kong Express (A320) first. Hong Kong Express was to get half of the A321neo order, rated A320 pilots would be a LCC priority.

we are not talking about ‘external’ applicants, we are talking about cx group born and bred cadets, ie cx paid for the majority of their licenses, they are type rated and experienced on the type no cx pilots are( in house...) transferring 777 pilots onto an airbus requires substantial training...sectors included, which there are none of at the moment. These guys/gals would be up and running way before they could even dream of retraining and type rating grounded crew. I guess only time will tell...

doesnt work that way, even if you hold a HKCAD license and type rating with time on type, if you move airline you have to redo the training! Might be able to get some exemptions from doing a full type rating from the cad but you just don't walk into the jet and go fly! Ask any of the guys who left KA before and went to HKE or anyone who left cx and went to HKA still have to redo the training! And they are external applicants, they aren't on the seniority list at cx and we still have our own pilots on the street at the moment, so I fully expect the 100+ of our own guys and gals to be returned to the cockpit before we hire any external pilots. Might be a different story at HKe! Wishing all of the ex ka guys the best of luck but it would be wrong to not look after our own first!

I am fully aware of the process in hk. It won’t be up to you to decide to ‘look after your own’ , the government is now heavily involved, their responsibility is to look after ‘Hong kongs own’.

You think management will make decisions based on right and wrong?
How cute.

ReHiring ??
 

What drug are you all on ?? Either you're being trolled by the CX muppets in a feeble attempt to make themselves look good or you're IQ's have taken a 50% drop !! For gods sake, read the aviation news not your tea cups...

fly1981

Great and many of the laid off Second Officers are Hong Kong's own as well! The majority were cadet joining second officers; are they less important than the redundant KA pilots?

AllWobbly

Lessseeeeee......if I got this right........

It takes government money. And then it doesn't for a little bit (so it can fire people and force others on to a new contract while it doesn't).

And then magically needs it again. And takes it ?

In other circles stuff like this might be called racketeering.

LLLQNH

Apart from the 8 KA guys who will train CX

LLLQNH, try to find a bit of empathy here.
We have always been led to believe that seniority is key in a pilot job.

So to answer your question from my viewpoint - YES, I think they are less important than the redundant very senior KA pilots.

Cathay Pacific has just thrown almost 550 pilots with up to 30+ years of seniorty under the bus.
Yet, you think it's fair that just 3% of the CX pilot body has been slashed, so all the ex-KA jets and routes can be flown by CX pilots with 2 years of seniority today and - after re-hiring the 3% made redundant - by the guys with just 1 year of seniority or so tomorrow?

Those guys choose to join KA and that was before the merger. KA was a separate airline, there's no common ASL, then why should CX prioritise crew from another airline?

"Those guys" didn't choose to be part of Cathay either.
Yet KA pilots have been told the last 10 years "we", "us" with everything regarding Cathay - we were (apparently!) part of the family (when it suited Cathay), receiving weekly updates and messages from all sorts of Employment Experience Managers and people we had never heard of before, made to wear Cathay logos and do everything the Cathay way. So please, give me a break with the separate airline talk...

BUT, fair enough, if what you call that "separate airline" was not really doing well, loosing the customers, pilots or cabin crew causing trouble, getting demerit points for problems in the operation, not being allowed to expand, bleeding financially....yes, it would be time to close that "separate airline". And as a pilot with high seniority, that's where you loose out. Seniority doesn't protect you from an airline going badly and eventually going bankrupt.

But can you honestly claim this is the case for KA?

From my point of view, Cathay Pacific is taking all that Dragon build up over 35 years and throwing all the loyal employees under the bus as a thank you...
If there would be no 321s, 321NEOs and 330s going to CX, no routes to be transferred to CX - I would rest my case.
But now, junior pilots on work visas will fly the KA jets to KA destinations while KA guys with PRs - originally expats, or locals alike - will be without a job.

Look at it from this perspective;
The Cathay Pacific B747F operation - earning the money these days for "The Group".
Let's just say for a moment that the whole B747F operation would be called Cathay Dragon tomorrow and all jumbos transferred to KA.
Would you not expect the senior jumbo CX pilots to somehow have a place in that Cathay Dragon operation?
Or would it be fair that all these pilots were asked to leave the company, leave their house, their home, their country, their friends - while KA cadets with a year of seniority and young expats with work visas would be dispatched to run the HKG-ANC flights as of next month?

At least just admit it stinks, please.

I don't expect Cathay to be a fair employer - but I would expect a little bit of empathy from fellow Hong Kong pilots that we used to rub shoulders with in the briefing office just last month.

Cathay Pacific: World’s Top 10 Cleanest Airline
for five years in a row — Skytrax

hyg:
You even go so far as call it a "merger"!

merger
/ˈməːdʒə/

noun

1. a combination of two things, especially companies, into one

STP. I could not agree more with your sentiments. As a very long serving CX pilot (32 yrs), I feel what has been done to you and your colleagues is appalling. In fact, it is arguably the worst event of employer abuse in Hong Kong history. I am very sorry for what you and your colleagues are going through. I wish every one of you the best, and hopefully one day CX will be seen to be the soulless employer that they actually are. Before anyone chimes in with a defence of CX, perhaps ponder the fact that the management are taking only a ONE YEAR hit to their pay (and only 15% at that). In the meantime, the piloting career at CX has been rendered valueless, and that of KA has been obliterated. Shameful.

If KA guys still want to join CX I am sure there will be more than enough jobs in 2021. They already said will be needing to hire more pilots . And seniority list dropped 40 positions as of today. So why is everyone so worried ?

not at all, if they are local, they will be prioritized.

Some of the most tragic and delusional posts on pprune have been from a small number of CX pilots recently.

Is this part of your Total War industrial scenario? The ink is not even dry on the contract you just signed and many observers must wonder if you even read it?

Who CX hires will be none of your business. You've had years to look after your own and empty sentiments here on pprune just make you look like a fool. The younger KA guys are already being snapped up by mainland carriers as DEC's based on professional reputation. I'd expect many will be snapped up by the CX group as well. Good luck to them they deserve a change of fortune.

hear hear!

What is this mythical seniority list you speak of? Your precious 'seniority' has been neutered, relegated to being a tool for staff travel and leave bidding. All previously held redundancy protections were signed away a few days ago, as were limitations on direct entry commands. Didn't you read what you signed?The company can now flick anyone to anywhere in the group, employ over the top of you and basically insert the pineapple in whatever orientation it so chooses: 'at it's sole and absolute discretion'. Vale CX & KA, I was once most fond of thee.

You haven’t even read the COS18 you signed. DECs can happen. Seniority counts previous service in a group airline. They will want to fly the first of the 321 neos which arrive in a couple of weeks time. The ex KA trainers that were kept on aren’t approved to train CX and that will take some time. MFF is a minefield and that won’t happen anytime soon either.
I predict that we will soon see ex red tie crews recruited to fly green. In time KA 320 local and PR pilots will start replacing HKE pilots as their work visas expire.
Same team same dream!

Swh. You obviously haven’t caught on to the reality of CoS18, what happened with Oasis has naff all to do with it.
The KA freighter guys did their initial 400 rating with CX while they were still KA. When CX took over they only had to do a PC and 4 sectors, it was a rapid command not a full CX command course.
There is a big difference between having MFF in the manuals and putting it into practice.

330/340 mff is a very different story to 321/350 mff.

And on 12 November DFO advises that CX has sacked more Flight Ops staff as planned. Anyone told Healy?

No point nobody thought he was telling the truth

Ask this guy.

https://au.wallmine.com/hkse/0293/of...gregory-hughes

Why is no one questioning him why he is not taking at least a 50% pay cut to save the company? Who justifies this amount?

Because in the long term he saved the company a gazillion dollars by decrasing the cos’s of 3000 pilots and many more cabin crew.

Unfortunately, the imminent big black hole is coming closer and closer, because of his way of management...