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MelbourneFlyer 24th Apr 2020 06:04

"Cathay Pacific eyes Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner as swap for 777X"
 
Reports of CX rethinking its order for 21 B777-9s and possibly bringing some B787-10's into the mix.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...fic-boeing-787

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ing-777x-order

buster57 24th Apr 2020 18:52

CX floats this rumor to try to get a cheaper deal on their 777X order. Cant imagine saving much money buying a new type aircraft, simulators, pilot type ratings.......
Just cancel half or all the 777X order and buy more A350-1000s(very similar numbers vs 787)

cxorcist 24th Apr 2020 20:31


Originally Posted by buster57 (Post 10761968)
CX floats this rumor to try to get a cheaper deal on their 777X order. Cant imagine saving much money buying a new type aircraft, simulators, pilot type ratings.......
Just cancel half or all the 777X order and buy more A350-1000s(very similar numbers vs 787)

Not really... the A350s and 777-9 are longhaul aircraft with all the associated structural weight. 787-10 is a short to medium-haul machine with unrivaled economics up to about 9-10 hours. My understanding is that the 787-10 does the same mission as A333s for about 25% less. The other advantage of 787 is the ability to bring 787-9 to the fleet if necessary as a smallest long haul option which might be better suited than A359 for opening new markets.

mngmt mole 24th Apr 2020 22:29

Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.

cxorcist 24th Apr 2020 22:35


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 10762174)
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.

No, but it’s a very short course as long as you don’t pretend it’s a space shuttle.

controlledrest 25th Apr 2020 00:19


Originally Posted by cxorcist (Post 10762179)
No, but it’s a very short course as long as you don’t pretend it’s a space shuttle.

With the 350 the company adopted the Airbus conversion - so not a cx space shuttle course. If anything too short as we had to figure a lot out on the line. Although the 330 and 350 are very different airframes it is remarkably easy to switch between the two. I don't know if Boeing have managed to make the 787 similar enough to a 777. The 777 is a 30 year old aeroplane (and the last decent aircraft Boeing made).

Now would be a vary good time for CX to screw Boeing down on prices and / or delivery options.

Avinthenews 25th Apr 2020 04:14

Perhaps a 777F should be the go as freight will be up for the foreseeable future until the passenger flying recovers and probably will remain up post recovery.

cxorcist 25th Apr 2020 04:23


Originally Posted by Avinthenews (Post 10762339)
Perhaps a 777F should be the go as freight will be up for the foreseeable future until the passenger flying recovers and probably will remain up post recovery.

Perhaps freight won’t be a great business once Western nations reevaluate their trade relationships with China and their willingness to put vital supply chains in the hands of a Communist dictatorship with, arguably, malicious intentions.

Koan 25th Apr 2020 06:42


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 10762174)
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.

Was told it can be. For US carriers FAA would require 3 in 90 days in both types to be current.
Hard enough to keep crews landing current on widebody fleets so impractical.

BuzzBox 25th Apr 2020 07:15


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 10762174)
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.

FAA Common Pilot Type Rating between the B-777 and B-787

swh 25th Apr 2020 10:16


Originally Posted by BuzzBox (Post 10762422)

Despite what that link says the 787 and 777 are not common FAA type ratings, neither is the A330 and A350 a common FAA type rating. In Europe and many other places the 777 and 787 are common type ratings.

BuzzBox 25th Apr 2020 12:14


Originally Posted by swh (Post 10762556)
Despite what that link says the 787 and 777 are not common FAA type ratings, neither is the A330 and A350 a common FAA type rating. In Europe and many other places the 777 and 787 are common type ratings.

Interesting. The original B787 FSB report states "the B-777 and B-787 are assigned a common pilot type rating"; however, the Rev 7 states "the B-787 and the B-777 are separate type ratings that have been determined to have commonality". What changed along the way?

Original: https://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b-787_fsb.pdf
Rev 7: https://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b787_rev_7.pdf

BuzzBox 25th Apr 2020 23:10


Originally Posted by Aerofat (Post 10762695)
MAX.......

The change was first promulgated in Rev 5 to the FSB report, dated 9 Mar 2018. That was BEFORE the first MAX accident, which occurred on 29 October that year.


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