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DSS plea...
Mr Chairman, you say “They have not morphed or been brainwashed into being Company lackeys. They are the same pilots whose opinions persisted as they did before being elected. They are now responsible for carrying your view and voicing it through the democratic processes of our Union. In so doing, 13 of them have endorsed the TA's and Final Offer to you. Seven have not.” Are you saying that in a democracy, the person you voted in to office is always true to their campaign promise, NEVER waivers in their points of view, NEVER flip flops their opinions, NEVER betrays their constituency? Boy if that were the case then there is no place in a democracy for no confidence votes, impeachments or mass protests... I must be living in a different world! |
Well, it’s 2018 again!! Apparently! or maybe I received it a little late |
Good pick up KD! :D
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If it's a "no", I suspect there will be a vote of no confidence and a new GC will form, so DSS will not be involved. What DSS has to say is irrelevant. If it's a "yes", I suspect the union will be a lot smaller. What would be the point of having a union, the GMA says the company is going to play nice. Job done. Stand down. Take yourself a 1.25% payrise. So again, what DSS has to say is irrelevant. |
DSS and his desperate final pleas are so out of touch with the membership that it is almost unbelievable, but as the GC recommended their turd with sprinkles, then I can now believe in almost anything at this circus. It is baseless scaremongering and is the final nail in the coffin for DSS in the soon to be proposed motion of no confidence in the Chairman and the GC13. A NO vote does not mean a vote for anything DSS suggests in his latest CXesque diatribe. It means that you do not agree to ratify the suggested T/UA’s. Simple. |
Rod,I mean Liam Gallagher don’t fool yourself...if there is a No the union will become at lot smaller. You have single handily done what management could not do. Congratulations mate! |
I generally disagree with the above sentiments.
If the deal gets rejected escalation is the only logical consequence because all the things currently in place (TB, CC) have not worked since 2014 (?) Our timing would have to be very lucky if the TB was to make the crucial difference in the next few months, if it has not made the difference since it's inception.. To vote "YES" because you have had enough, want some peace and generally think this is as much as we can get, makes sense and is the low risk, low return option. To vote "NO" because you think you can create more leverage through action to get an improved deal makes sense but you got to be prepared to do stuff that are rather uncomfortable. To vote "NO" but not to be prepared to back the keyboard warriordom up with action and think by doing more of the same for a few more weeks and hope the company will suddenly give in and us having the negotiating edge is naive in the extreme ! To vote "NO" and not be prepared to escalate makes no sense at all and you better abstain from the vote. |
Ok Efis, what about if I’m voting no not because we can get more but because the umbrella agreement is the most one sided hand cuffing agreement that I’ve ever seen? This isn’t all about chest beating and being a keyboard warrior. |
First DS was in the company’s pocket now he’s too hardcore. The important fact from all this is how spineless the membership truly are. Put the Picket call to the vote and see how we go. |
Originally Posted by EFIS Check
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I Our timing would have to be very lucky if the TB was to make the crucial difference in the next few months, if it has not made the difference since it's inception..
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Agree with Avinthenews - THAT is what this is all about.
25-30 years ago when the pay/package side of things was more attractive, nobody cared too much about the lifestyle control - particular when the EFP threshold was at 70 hours. Now that the pay/workload balance has shifted so substantially, and inexorably, over the years, the ultimate goal HAS to be more (if not complete) work/lifestyle control - however you choose to define that. And thus not to succumb to being thankful for some crumbs that have been arrogantly dusted off the table. |
MorningCoffee....feeling the panic rise a bit are you mate? This management (and snake in the grass GC) has committed to a devils bargain, and it is now going to hoist them on their own petard. There is effectively nothing of value in the proposal, and in return we effectively neuter the AOA, and give management all the tools necessary to turn us into a HK Express with a slightly prettier paint job (and even that is arguable...). Couldn't care less how long the TB and CC have to stay. It will at least be a better option that lying down and giving up the the likes this current management and associated sycophants. Looking forward to Friday....
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
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MorningCoffee....feeling the panic rise a bit are you mate? This management (and snake in the grass GC) has committed to a devils bargain, and it is now going to hoist them on their own petard. There is effectively nothing of value in the proposal, and in return we effectively neuter the AOA, and give management all the tools necessary to turn us into a HK Express with a slightly prettier paint job (and even that is arguable...). Couldn't care less how long the TB and CC have to stay. It will at least be a better option that lying down and giving up the the likes this current management and associated sycophants. Looking forward to Friday....
As it pertains to pilot industrial matters, the COO and DFO are both answering to the MICM, which is crazy if you consider what an absolute retard he is, trained by the worst pilot manager in the history of airlines (CH), only dumber! CMP will never run as designed and pilot relations will never improve while DL is calling the shots. He needs to be retired for there to be any hope. |
If you recall all the contracts that CX has produced they all came with assurances that each one would be the last cut. Each time it was a lie.
I don't understand how anyone can vote yes. |
Anyone who has worked for CX longer than 5 years will realise that BusyBee is 100 per cent correct and spot on. If you have been here decades then this charade of promises, assurances, “agreements” and “negotiations in good faith” has happened innumerable times. If you feel that you are having your trousers pulled down by this mob , then you probably are. |
Ds last email reeks of false dichotomy, it is not vote yes OR escalate. There is sufficient grey available here, we could also just continue on the present course. The way he tries to scare you into this kind of thinking shows really where his heart is. He has no intention to escalate... Time for new leadership? |
So I gather you’re all too scared to vote on ramping up because most of the keyboard warriors wouldn’t actually turn up to picket if the vote went through. Glad we found out now. Let’s instead blame the GC or the NC somehow. We talk the talk but we don’t walk the walk. So much for unity. Maybe you need RF back so he can take his softer approach with the company. |
The fact that you suggest there are only two options suggest you are trying to manipulate opinion, morningcoffee. |
Originally Posted by Oasis
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The fact that you suggest there are only two options suggest you are trying to manipulate opinion, morningcoffee. Even I was surprised at the hypocrisy from the vote No (but remain as spineless as possible) crowd. |
Originally Posted by Dan Buster
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This is not a vote about ramping up or escalating. Vote NO, stay in CC/TB, go back to negotiation, negotiate a FAIR deal. (For both sides) Pretty clear cut. Time iteslf is ramping up the TB pressure anyway. |
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