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anxiao 18th Oct 2018 07:18
A great deal for retirees...
 
Have I really got this right?

I see that retirees are now allowed to buy "Firecracker" tickets for themselves and friends. These are discounted tickets that are NOSUB and at present are restricted to flights departing "form" (sic) HKG.

The discount from the fare charged on the CX ticketing web site is a whopping 2%

I fail to comprehend how a sentient being could think this up and spend oxygen and wiggly amps writing the proposal and think that it was a good idea. Anyone can get a better discount than that by using a consolidator or travel agent.

The standard of middle management must be awful if this is not a wind up.

mngmt mole 18th Oct 2018 07:28
The last line of your post: correct. About sums up why this airline is heading for the dustbin of history. Every level of management in this airline is incompetent, self-serving and deluded. That is why the pilots with an ounce of self-preservation instinct are making plans to leave.

unitedabx 18th Oct 2018 07:49
Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 10286040)
Have I really got this right?

I see that retirees are now allowed to buy "Firecracker" tickets for themselves and friends. These are discounted tickets that are NOSUB and at present are restricted to flights departing "form" (sic) HKG.

The discount from the fare charged on the CX ticketing web site is a whopping 2%

I fail to comprehend how a sentient being could think this up and spend oxygen and wiggly amps writing the proposal and think that it was a good idea. Anyone can get a better discount than that by using a consolidator or travel agent.

The standard of middle management must be awful if this is not a wind up.
The seats are cheaper on Trivago !

mr did 18th Oct 2018 11:30
There will probably be a few more retirees now the CMP people have confirmed W patterns are out.

TurningFinalRWY36 18th Oct 2018 11:36
so the guys who have had the best rosters for a long time now are going to retire early because they have rosters that are still better than those on the bus or jumbo. OK

mr did 18th Oct 2018 12:02
so the guys who have had the best rosters for a long time now are going to retire early because they have rosters that are still better than those on the bus or jumbo. OK
95% of those W people were commuting with commensurate structures in place . Now, that will be a lot more difficult or unsustainable.

It is relative to their situation, not yours.

Arfur Dent 18th Oct 2018 12:31
As a retiree, I never fly Cathay. BA have looked after me and my Family far, far better than CX ever did. Lots of upgrades, (champagne if they can't x 2).
I'd rather pay more than deal with any Cathay check-in Staff.
Keep your 'discounts'. Totally irrelevant.

Summit to Sea 18th Oct 2018 12:46
Originally Posted by mr did (Post 10286207)
There will probably be a few more retirees now the CMP people have confirmed W patterns are out.
Could this be Cathays way to try get rid of a few more high end ARAPA Pilot’s and save some $$$

spleener 18th Oct 2018 14:55
Another well thought out post
Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36 (Post 10286211)
so the guys who have had the best rosters for a long time now are going to retire early because they have rosters that are still better than those on the bus or jumbo. OK

Tea time 18th Oct 2018 15:59
Arfur I have flown BA using standby tickets on numerous occasions . Never once have I been upgraded or given champagne but I live in eternal hope .
why CX didn’t formulate an agreement with BA and many other airlines for standby travel in both EY and Business class is beyond me . You would only get a seat if there was one available so it’s not going to make an iota of difference to anyone except those travelling . But of course those who arrange these sorts of things would have to give reciprocal rights which they seem terrified of doing . Or maybe it’s just a vindictive move to stop staff enjoying anything other than cattle class .

Slasher1 18th Oct 2018 17:26
Not much of a deal.

Then again, with the way things are going with POS 18 and CMP, are you really going to want to fly in the back when you retire anyway ? Or even in the near future ?

Arfur Dent 18th Oct 2018 20:24
TT - I have a friend who is a BA Senior Captain who is happy to "put in a good word" with the operating crew. Don't do it that often but the strike rate for upgrades is good. Recently, with F & J full the CSD came down and brought us a glass of bubbly and then the relief Captain came down and apologised again!! Brilliant. BA Flight Crew have much more authority re seating than we used to have in CX. Upgrade your mate in CX and the Chief would report you. Do the same in BA and the CSD brings you a glass of something nice. Culture I guess.

unitedabx 19th Oct 2018 16:17
Originally Posted by Arfur Dent (Post 10286609)
TT - I have a friend who is a BA Senior Captain who is happy to "put in a good word" with the operating crew. Don't do it that often but the strike rate for upgrades is good. Recently, with F & J full the CSD came down and brought us a glass of bubbly and then the relief Captain came down and apologised again!! Brilliant. BA Flight Crew have much more authority re seating than we used to have in CX. Upgrade your mate in CX and the Chief would report you. Do the same in BA and the CSD brings you a glass of something nice. Culture I guess.
Put whatever word in he likes, it is against BA policy to upgrade other airline staff. Any captain who says he will or any ISM who says they will get reported just like in CX. It doesn't happen.

Arfur Dent 20th Oct 2018 06:31
United. You are wrong. My wife and daughter were upgraded to Business as was I but the Crew subsequently asked me to move to Premium Economy - sub load EY tickets.Don't say "it doesn't happen" when I just told you it does!! That was October 2016 by the way.

parabellum 20th Oct 2018 08:11
But of course those who arrange these sorts of things would have to give reciprocal rights which they seem terrified of doing . Or maybe it’s just a vindictive move to stop staff enjoying anything other than cattle class .
The people, in almost all airlines, who have the authority to negotiate staff travel agreements and reciprocal rights rarely have to live by them, they deal with their opposite numbers in other airlines, advise their opposite number when and where they are travelling and their tickets appear, often in the OCS mail, with the best upgrade and on-load priorities they can get away with. You scratch my back etc. etc. The plebs, (Flight Deck and Cabin Crew) are dealt with by 'The System'.

Gordomac 20th Oct 2018 10:03
Hope BA don't read Pprune. They might call in the crew on that October 2016 who clearly broke the rules. Any way, I always suffered. Every time I turned up at check-in wearing my best suit (only had two), ID90 but crew label clearly on display, I was, mostly down graded & bumped off. Last staff travel trip with GF using my retirement "award" of "free,firm" resulted in being bumped off at BAH but on appeal,Capt allowed use of jump seats in the rear galley. Glad to be out of it really. I just use the Loco's now, turn up in me shell suit & enjoy like the rest of em. Ooooops, was supposed to fly up to LHR with Cobolt on 23rd ! See ?

Cool banana 20th Oct 2018 10:35
I just use the Loco's now, turn up in me shell suit & enjoy like the rest of em. Ooooops, was supposed to fly up to LHR with Cobolt on 23rd ! See ?
Sorry but Cobalt has just gone bankrupt,

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/17/c...ghts-grounded/

Ooh....the joys of low cost airlines....

unitedabx 20th Oct 2018 16:04
Originally Posted by Arfur Dent (Post 10287584)
United. You are wrong. My wife and daughter were upgraded to Business as was I but the Crew subsequently asked me to move to Premium Economy - sub load EY tickets.Don't say "it doesn't happen" when I just told you it does!! That was October 2016 by the way.
So you are 2 years out of date. Upgrading is taboo in BA just like in CX.

Fly747 21st Oct 2018 03:22
Sorry United you are wrong. My daughter got upgraded on a Staff ticket on BA in August.
Maybe it’s just who you know.

unitedabx 21st Oct 2018 04:28
Originally Posted by Fly747 (Post 10288247)
Sorry United you are wrong. My daughter got upgraded on a Staff ticket on BA in August.
Maybe it’s just who you know.
I know this much. Every upgrade must be logged by the BA IM. Failure to do so upon detection is a diciplinary matter.


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