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So which flights decided that it was ok for discretion.

Apparently 6 diversions this morning.

Will we ever have a spine...

at what point do we name and shame and will the union do something about it instead of just sending reminders

At least give a hint of the flights, and the adults amongst us can check the actual times and confirm whether there's any untoward assistance or not....

Looks like these morons forgot about the recent emails re ARAP and 13th month.

Next Wednesday the DFO will tell us that the two SO crew compliment is just working fine.

Any 2 SO flights able to divert and make it back?

748 it appears....😡

nail in the coffin

But hey I'm sure they wearing their red lanyards proudly... what a joke.

...and rock up 20 mins early for their flights

Yep, well let’s put in a motion with the AOA to make captain’s discretion part of contract compliance.
This way you have clarity on that issue.

Yes, but cd is never even hinted at for being part of cc. Something they could easily do with plausible deniability.
I think the reason for not doing so is that they are not on that plane on that day with all the facts as the captain has them and makes his/her decision.

I seem to recall a recent pprune bollocking of of a captain who decided to use discretion to push to HKG, after a divertion due to a death of an infant. Perfect example, you had to have been there to understand.

The two second officer flights would have in a better position regarding max duty. However, the 3 man crew out of LHR must have been well in to discretion even if they pretended to have had foresight and burnt out the 3rd member enroute.

The company sets patterns based at the extreem of FTL limits knowing we'll go the extra mile to get it home if needed.

That was because both parties respected each other in the times when CX was great and expanding.

As said numerous times those days ended circa '94.

CX has nothing to lose when we are professional, shame they aren't.

Expel the Capt's from AOA.

or fail.

Simple.

One cannot with collaborators.

Expel the Capt’s what? Would have been a good post if done before the 10th beer!

Creeping CC - when was it decided to include CD? Can we have a list of what you keyboard warriors want to include next, or can we just stick to the AOA website, policy and not publicise what’s bunch of tw@ts we have become.

It’s not part of cc. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors stirring the pot.

Calm down about all this professionalism, CD, 2SO crews, max FTL rostering etc.
We are run (not led) by accountants.
When they do the cost benefit analysis on these events, they factor in an increased rate of diversion and recovery activity.
The accountants expect, and have budgeted for, a predicted number of diversions/recoveries. If you divert and decide to fight on through fatigue and/or use CD then all you are doing is taking ALL of the risk so that the account will end up under budget and trigger a bigger bonus!
If you call it a day after your rostered and planned duty, that included a diversion, then you are just operating to budget and as expected by the accountants.

Haha, had to laugh. You think putting people's lives at risk by extending Max FDP is "PROFESSIONAL"? The majority of people that use CD do it because they don't have the balls to park the airplane, so it's out of fear rather than out of professional choice. Who do you think is going to be crucified if something happens while you are in CD? If you really want to be professional about this, political issues aside, you would have to be stupid to ever use CD, all you're doing is putting culpability out of the company's hands and onto yours.

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I would have loved to have heard the response from the RQ on the 2 flights with 2 SOs when the captain said he will be using discretion... I know what I would of said.

Its 'commanders discretion' not 'commanders decision and thats final'. All crew have to play ball and a captain cannot force any crew to operate, anyone who says otherwise is just power hungry. If the FO had of just said 'cannot, fatigue' that is that. Any captain would be dumb to operate under those circumstances.