Management Vacancy vs Training Ban
 

I understand the training ban extends to accepting management positions. However, the management position WILL get filled no matter what, in this case it is likely to be a non-member or someone willing to circumvent said ban. My question is, would it not be better for the AOA to recommend a handful of individuals from the union to apply for this (and possibly subsequent) position/s? By only having non-members and ban breakers on the third floor, are we sort of kicking an own goal?

I must add, one would have to get their head read to want to work upstairs...

Let me get this straight, you want the union, an organisation that's supposed to protect the CoS of its pilot body, to nominate a swell individual to take up a management position, where their only purpose is to screw the pilot body. Make sense. :rolleyes:

Dragon, thanks for the reply. It’s not the DFO or CEO it’s only DFTM so as for the sole purpose of screwing the pilots, not so sure - plenty of training reports to sign off. Also, is there a possibility of better the devil you know?

Rod, thanks for the insight, I’m not sure how my post affects my abilities as a pilot but thanks for the reply anyway.

Hydrolix, no I disagree completely your same argument can be made about training positions... yes the training ban does hurt us but it hurts them more and if we give even in the slightest we are giving up all leverage as all the guys holding the line and waiting for training will prob say f$&@ it.

Hydrolix

Not sure how long you've been at cx, judging by your post I would guess not very long, so I'll pass on a simple, but important piece of advice, that was given to me a long time ago.

ONLY SCUMS AND SELF SERVING YES MEN JOIN THE THIRD FLOOR, TRUST THEM AT YOUR PERIL.

Dragon: that's almost word for word what I was told some 20+ years ago too. Even then (at the back end of the "good ol' days") it was clear who was who.

Whilst leaving my original post unedited to generate discussion, I’m obviously seriously off base with my thoughts. I wholeheartedly recant the idea and wish no further ill will from my comments. Regards all

Hydrolix , one of the requirements to get to the 3rd floor is that you have a funny handshake , this gem was given to me many years ago by a very senior captain . I don’t know how true it is and I know of a few really great guys that used to be in management , sadly they were railroaded and chopped on the flimsiest excuse .
Why anyone would want to work up there is beyond me , quite frankly anyone who puts their name forward needs educating behind the barn .

SCUM is far too nice a 4-letter word for those on the third floor or contemplating a position there.

This is a work-around. Management positions are not part of the training ban but managers are expected to become trainers as part of their post. They become trainers and remain in the AOA. F***ing wake up!

Management Positions
 

Qualification must be Senior FO or above ?? That's discrimination. What's wrong with SO's and why aren't they invited to apply ?

I mean, do you not think this is hypocritical seeing our Leader, the DFO, and the Director of Personnel (overseeing 15 > 20000 persons) had basically ZERO experience in their relative fields and brought with them ZERO educational background in their relevant "Leadership" positions.

I mean, what difference does experience now make? They should open the positions up to everyone, it's only fair.

would a senior FO really want to join the 3rd, makes his life twice as hard it would seem

Management Vacancy
 

The whole things a sad and cruel joke. DFO and D People get brought in from nowhere with no background whatsoever and now suddenly they want a modicum of experience ?? What for? What was the background of the person who gambled away billions (US) on fuel hedging ? Maybe he/she came from Swire Restaurants.
Why would they want anyone with extensive experience, who is in charge of the entire training apparatus now, did they bring a background of in depth knowledge and experience gained in instruction ??
Of course not.

The whole management (leadership) structure here is beyond embarrassing, a sick joke.

Laugh or cry, your choice.

Hydrolix for DFTM! It'd be nice to have a man like him up there who can admit he is wrong with this level of class, take ownership and not place blame where it does not belong, on his fellow pilot.
Even while (whilst=not cool) they gore him for outside the box thinking, which is a great quality rarely found in that position and much needed since he would be working under Cannot.

Hydrolix. Respect. :ok:

Meantime, back at the departure gate, the line grows ever longer. Still one a day and accelerating next month. On track for a 15% EBIT (Exit before it tanks) in 2018.:D

I wonder if when it tanks and there is no job left here if they’ll still require three months pay even if we are locked out.

These are nothing more than alternative facts and inconvenient truths. Meanwhile, AT wants to resume concessionary talks, and DP complains about US healthcare costs and long service leave in Australia. Obtuse much?

The Company has rapidly returned to profitability, and the HKAOA is just damn lucky (or unbelievably good to know) that CX didn’t (wouldn’t) agree to their enormous concessions.

To me, it’s time to start pushing for a proper set of RPs, ARAPA, and inflationary adjustments to pay and HKPA. No more crying wolf, Anna. We simply don’t believe you or any of your ilk. Time to rotate in another lying beancounter, but don’t forget to update the playbook before you leave.

Funny how the US carriers seem to function just fine, paying their pilots far more, with health care (and retirement health care), pensions and free staff travel (should I mention proper rostering and bidding rules?). I guess the simple answer is they seem to have management who know what they are doing, unlike our feckless lot of Swire losers. We are a cursed company, and the end is approaching. If you can get out, get out while there is a hiring boom around the world to take advantage of. Don't be the last one on the new seniority list. CX is finished. (and as for AT's 'concessionary' talks... makes me think of something regarding 'where the sun doesn't shine').

True! United yield is now 40% higher than CX. (14c/mile vs CX 10.5)

Getting passengers to pay much more for a worse product is a trick we need to learn. The US airlines have succeeded in charging for just about every basic, whereas we still offer meals/ bags/ choice of seat in one price

vs 2013, United yield dropped 7%, CX 25%.