Lufty payrise huh?
 

So lufthansa looking at 4.8% to a potential 6% payrise for all the staff huh?

Go figure and i get an 8% cut and u want to make me work harder.....

Resist, Agitate, Confound, Deny, Disrupt. Did I miss anything?

Ummm ... Relax, Disengage, Divest, and Depart?

Summed up: "we just don't give a :mad: anymore"

Scoreboard, not sure what you mean. Can´t be for the mainline pilots.

Just signed a new 5 yr contract after quite some fighting.

There hadn´t been a payrise since 2012.
You get a lump-sum for 2102-2015 (1,8XSep16 monthly pay - if you were worked fulltime in the time period then).
Payraise 2016 2%, 2017 2,4% and something in that range in 18, 19 and 20.
Yearly profitshare up to 2 months max (as before) but the calculation has changed a bit for the better (hopefully).
Pension scheme has changed dramatically from DB to DC - much less guaranteed for what´s put starting 2017 - but you can put in some yourself and get a tax-break for that for now. Pension will be taxxed fully though later.

Overtime starts at 74,5 hrs instead of 71hrs before - thus overtime pay is reduced and starts later. Fits in with doing 80+ hrs every month...

Overall it´s more like +-0% or even a cut at the current working-level.

And they´re doing their best to grow Eurowings at rates around 30-40% below mainline keeping the "pilot bodies" strictly apart.

Finally some intake and training of new FOs and upgrades to CP so that tha high production rate can be sustained somehow.

Fortunately oil price is still rather low and business - at mainline - looks very robust currently - so much so that on the SH and LH Airbus fleets they´ve offered to buy back vacation days. (at a paltry 100% albeit)

What I read on your thread, reads pretty much like what quite a few folks have been complaining about here - but our-ex-pilot-CEO understands the pros and cons of the seniority system very well , so in effect (almost) no-one is leaving, as the numbers do not add up outside.

At least you have laws/rules/unions that enforce and protect your contract. At CX, the company and the regulatory environment are near lawless. Makes a big difference. Our pilots ARE leaving because they have nothing of trust to base their career on. Too big a risk for someone to subject themselves and their families to.

Wonderbus,

please do not inject objectivity and facts into these conversations.

Everybody in the world is getting as massive payrise from a super high base and pilots are leaving CX by the dozens every day.

Did you know that a Garuda pilot gets paid literally millions and a Vietnam Airlines Captain billions ?
........... and what do I get, less than 4 bitcoins a month - it is disgusting !

EFIS. Perhaps you are a bit past it at this point?

EFIS Check.....

You’re obviously right. Cathay pilots should be thankful for all the degradations in pay and conditions they’ve received, on a continuous basis, over the past 25 years. They’re obviously ingrates....they should just meekly accept whatever degradations are imposed; submit, and consider themselves lucky that they’re not flying for Garuda or Vietnam Airlines....

I know it's easy for me to counsel from retirement but, if I was as dissatisfied as you are, I'd just keep saying "Yes, Sir.", "No, Sir." as I searched for a more agreeable employer.

I was, more or less, happy everywhere; perhaps I expected less from life than some.

Lufty pilots may have better info...just what I read in the news on Flight International.

FI is pretty much correct as 1,024 X 1,02 = 1,045 and in 04/2018 - 04/2021 it´s an annual raise of 1,2%-1,4% - which is all below inflation.
Not to forget an annual increase of ca. 3% until you reach the top after 17 years (on the cpt scale)
Extra vacation (on top of the regular 42) for +55s was also reduced by 7 days...

I forgot to mention - this is all for the staff employed before 09/17 as the new hires will get a new pay system (yes, say it! B...) with a lower entry and smaller increments as well as two extra long-haul steps.
If you progress quickly it´s better than before - if not, it aint - and you have to move to long haul to get the extra money- something they had done away with in ' 93.

raven11 - A lot of folks have your sentiments and I have had them as well.
It´s your life, get your priorities straight, direct your energy there and don´t let some cynical envious :mad: from the dark star get to you.
(They´ve had bend over so often and crawl through so many b*tts to get where they are.)