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AC Hiring
For all CDN CX pilots with experience. (2000 hours flying preferably 1000 hours Jet) The latest bid is out at AC and they are looking for 450 pilots with a better pension than COS 99 and benefits of a major airline. e.g.
-Full medical top up benefits for whole family and also covers you in retirement -ID travel proper rates, e.g. YYZ-YUL-YYZ $65CDN return - 5 J class FOC per year for Capts - Seniority Based PBS system where you control your schedule for your whole career -Once you join you bid all aircraft type transfers and positions to control what type and position you would prefer. This is an airline where you know you can have a career. |
Off the street application isn't open yet. I'll be first in line when it does! Escape plan commences...
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What?
Hire only experienced pilots....with 2000 hours?! That's an interesting concept. Don't they realize that if they hire non-pilots with zero hours, and train them to the absolute minimum standard required by law, they could then pay them peanuts and save a fortune....and still claim that safety is their top priority. They could also hedge billions of dollars of fuel at very low fuel prices...say, $85 a barrel...and save a sack of cash. Seniority based rosters, pensions, proper ID travel...these frills cost money and weigh down the balance sheet. Such amateurs, there is so much we could teach them about how to make money. That airline won't last... |
Well if by AC you mean Air Canada then you must be well ahead of the game because there are no vacancies for pilots shown on their website.
https://aircanada.taleo.net/careerse...d=36140181102# |
Shown in latest AC pilot bid package and off the street applications to be opening soon.
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A good acquaintance of mine got hired just last week
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I would think everyone under 40-45 would have to give this serious consideration.
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From wide body captain to relief FO ? It's a choice some people make to go back to civilization . Operationally , quite hard I think
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It's the same mind-numbing job...
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AC definitely has a better branding strategy than CX. Also the 787 is a better aircraft than the A350.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxkAV7bk764 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLskBTrhGek |
Also the 787 is a better aircraft than the A350 |
What difference does it make? Being back in your home, 1st world country is priceless!
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Also the 787 is a better aircraft than the A350 |
Originally Posted by betpump5
(Post 9912115)
Having flown as a Pax on both, I'm sorry to say the 787 is the worst aircraft ever built in modern times. And I have very little love for anything Airbus.
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Jeeze Louise, now an Air Canada thread has morphed into A versus B, lets bring in Trump and the Nazis and get it over with.
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Originally Posted by Foxdeux
(Post 9912970)
Sorry should have clarified, the 787 technologically is a superior aircraft compared to the A350. But you're right the A350 is a lot more comfortable than the 787 if both have 9 abreast seating.
As for seating, 9 across 787 is no worse than 10 across 777 which is essentially the new industry standard in economy. 10 across A350 is essentially impossible except for the likes of Air Asia. Perhaps that is why Airbus finds itself at a seat cost disadvantage once again, even with their most modern & advanced design. PS - What thread more appropriate than the AC thread. The same airline using both 10 across 777 (often referred to by employees as the "slave ship") and 9 across 787s? |
Originally Posted by cxorcist
(Post 9913369)
... but isn't the A350 a newer and therefore more modern design? One would think that the A350 would utilize at least as much, if not more, high tech as the 787.
As for seating, 9 across 787 is no worse than 10 across 777 which is essentially the new industry standard in economy. 10 across A350 is essentially impossible except for the likes of Air Asia. Perhaps that is why Airbus finds itself at a seat cost disadvantage once again, even with their most modern & advanced design. PS - What thread more appropriate than the AC thread. The same airline using both 10 across 777 (often referred to by employees as the "slave ship") and 9 across 787s? |
Seriously? Like this is an important issue, considering the real threats we face and are fighting. Shiny jet spikey hair jelled up children.
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
(Post 9913381)
Seriously? Like this is an important issue, considering the real threats we face and are fighting. Shiny jet spikey hair jelled up children.
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Originally Posted by Dragon69
(Post 9913378)
Yes, you're a genius, pity you're not working for the planning department. Never mind the fact that the 350 is favoured by the majority of airlines over the 787, you of course know better.
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Originally Posted by cxorcist
(Post 9913413)
Obviously, just look at the total 787 vs 350 orders or deliveries. The A350 is clearly favored. Moron!
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That's right, CX is the only airline in the industry!
Orders and Deliveries (as of 31 August 2017): A350 - 848/107 787 - 1278/589 Statistics can be so inconvenient. Clearly, airline planners around the world prefer the A350. |
This will probably get lost among the children fighting, but is there any further news on when they may open up the posting?
P.S. The C Series is clearly the most superior aircraft around. Look at how the Americans feel about it...�� |
Originally Posted by Pilot_Recruit
(Post 9913486)
This will probably get lost among the children fighting, but is there any further news on when they may open up the posting?
P.S. The C Series is clearly the most superior aircraft around. Look at how the Americans feel about it...�� |
You must really jerk off to Boeing newsletters!
Statistics can be so inconvenient. Clearly, airline planners around the world prefer the A350. Have a read on all the various forums, clearly from a passenger perspective the 350 is the preferred airplane. Then have a look at the price tag and a look at all the LCCs that have 787s. How many LCCs operate 350s. Not to mention one of the biggest 787 operator is ANA, why?, because they got a huge discount, a discount that was too good to pass. That avoided a costly penalty from delivering the airplane way behind schedule. But let's get back to your original claim of the 350 being an inferior airplane to the 787. It's not so much that I really give a sh!t, it's more to do with your arrogance of how you know absolutely nothing about the 350 and yet one would think that you're an engineer/test pilot for both manufactures and speak from experience and knowledge, when the reality is you know sh!t. Does the 787 have runway overrun protection? Does the 787 have an automatic emergency descent system? NO! So it does have certain systems that are ahead of the 787. This reminds me years ago how you were mocking the autothrust system on the Airbus. No feedback ..blah blah blah. Ironically the 777 has had, not ONE, but TWO crashes as a result of the autothrust system. But let's conveniently overlook that fact, it's a Boeing and therefore no matter it has to be better. Pilo-Recruit, this is a forum, no one is forcing you to read any of this, so just F*&k O!! |
Wow, what a fan boy! All I did was throw 4 numbers out and you write a five paragraph essay. That's sad. Since you're such a big fan of numbers, I'll send you a few more.
Of the 848 A350 orders, 8 are for the -800, a model which will never be built. Too small and uneconomic they say. Oh really, the -800 would be about the same size as the 787-9 which has 675 orders and a far cry bigger than the 787-8 which has 426 orders. But you're right Dragon, airline planners prefer the A350. Of the 848 A350 orders, 212 are for the -1000 model, although that number has gotten smaller over the last few months. This aircraft is designed to compete with the 777-300ER which has delivered more than 750 copies and has another 70+ orders to fill. Oh, and the 777X which has 326 orders. But you're right Dragon, airline planner prefer the A350. You give up yet? |
Originally Posted by Dragon69
(Post 9913523)
You must really jerk off to Boeing newsletters!
Yes I am sure that's what Anna was thinking also when she quoted her statistics on housing, but the reality is it's only an inconvenience when used to support a false claim. Have a read on all the various forums, clearly from a passenger perspective the 350 is the preferred airplane. Then have a look at the price tag and a look at all the LCCs that have 787s. How many LCCs operate 350s. Not to mention one of the biggest 787 operator is ANA, why?, because they got a huge discount, a discount that was too good to pass. That avoided a costly penalty from delivering the airplane way behind schedule. But let's get back to your original claim of the 350 being an inferior airplane to the 787. It's not so much that I really give a sh!t, it's more to do with your arrogance of how you know absolutely nothing about the 350 and yet one would think that you're an engineer/test pilot for both manufactures and speak from experience and knowledge, when the reality is you know sh!t. Does the 787 have runway overrun protection? Does the 787 have an automatic emergency descent system? NO! So it does have certain systems that are ahead of the 787. This reminds me years ago how you were mocking the autothrust system on the Airbus. No feedback ..blah blah blah. Ironically the 777 has had, not ONE, but TWO crashes as a result of the autothrust system. But let's conveniently overlook that fact, it's a Boeing and therefore no matter it has to be better. Pilo-Recruit, this is a forum, no one is forcing you to read any of this, so just F*&k O!! |
This aircraft is designed to compete with the 777-300ER which has delivered more than 750 copies and has another 70+ orders to fill The 350 is about to take over NAM operations and you're still completely blinded by your arrogance. I suggest you go and talk them out of it because clearly they lack the information and intelligence that you seem to have. Have a nice day! |
Dragon 69,
By your username I can only assume you are working for KA? Why are you getting so worked up about the 787 vs 350? KA won't be seeing either of them, so keep flogging your 20+ year old airbus to China. |
Originally Posted by Dragon69
(Post 9913523)
Pilo-Recruit, this is a forum, no one is forcing you to read any of this, so just F*&k O!!
P.S. You don't have to censor the word off. |
Originally Posted by Telfer86
(Post 9910912)
Any aptitude testing ?
But there is a psychological evaluation - some on this thread ought to take note... |
Are you suggesting Canadians can’t prove they are insane...?? :-)
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542 open spots on current equipment bid.
AC is currently hiring roughly 30 every 3 weeks right now. Many are from AC's regional feeder airlines with most of the others from military/Air Transat/Westjet backgrounds. New hire pay is less than ideal for the first few years if you remain in an RP/FO seat. Seats on offer at joining are: FO EMJ/320/737/767 RP 787/777 Junior EMJ190 Captain is about 1 year. Junior 320 or 737 Captain is about 3 year. New hires have a new pension scheme which seems promising. Overall decent benefits, disability, life insurance, stock matching, profit share trigger linked to executive payouts, etc. You will earn a good pay cheque at AC, after your first couple years, esp. if you go Captain early... but we certainly lag US pay levels, and I suspect many other large network carriers... and we pay Canadian taxes... Not sure what "- 5 J class FOC per year for Capts" posted above means... but I don't think we have that... Pilots/families get 3 high priority J passes per year, but they are not POS space... still ultimately standby, but top of the list more or less. Scheduling is PBS but it has its problems... unproductive pairings primarily on narrowbody fleets leave most at work for 15 days a month... Junior pilots on widebodies are working 18-20 days. I've read the application window isn't open - maybe everyone we're hiring has an application in from before. Or maybe you need to create your profile and then apply... I don't know, but good luck. If you looking to come home, things haven't ever been moving this fast... |
AC had contracts to hire x% from their feeders over the last couple of years. They have mostly gone through their requirements and have began hiring from the street again. I'm told a new posting should come up again near the end of the year. I'm told they have a good solid pool of people they're trying to flush out right now. Most of those are coming from WestJet, WestJet Encore and a couple of other off the street smaller airlines and charter within Canada.
Upgrades can be had in about 18 months if you take the first available slot. They start getting the first of 100 new 737's next spring. Rumour has it that the captains will go super junior and possibly right to new hires. Again, you may have to take what ever base they are at. The 5 J class seats refers to upgrades when you travel standby. They will no longer upgrade anyone when traveling unless you use one of your 5 tickets per year. I think (but don't quote me) that they would rather go with those seats empty than 'upgrade' an employee or recriprocal/ZED pilot. Thats what I know as of now. |
If I was younger I would apply . It may not be the best paid gig around but you get to live in a country with a good lifestyle depending on your base of course
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Originally Posted by Willing to Fly
(Post 9920048)
AC had contracts to hire x% from their feeders over the last couple of years. They have mostly gone through their requirements and have began hiring from the street again. I'm told a new posting should come up again near the end of the year. I'm told they have a good solid pool of people they're trying to flush out right now. Most of those are coming from WestJet, WestJet Encore and a couple of other off the street smaller airlines and charter within Canada.
Upgrades can be had in about 18 months if you take the first available slot. They start getting the first of 100 new 737's next spring. Rumour has it that the captains will go super junior and possibly right to new hires. Again, you may have to take what ever base they are at. The 5 J class seats refers to upgrades when you travel standby. They will no longer upgrade anyone when traveling unless you use one of your 5 tickets per year. I think (but don't quote me) that they would rather go with those seats empty than 'upgrade' an employee or recriprocal/ZED pilot. Thats what I know as of now. 737max - 61 firm orders have just started arriving this month CS300 - 45 firm orders start arriving in about 18 months Junior 737/320 CA is around 3 years. Junior EMJ CA is around 1 year. Toronto is the junior base for upgrades. Junior CA in YVR about 7 years. It's not 5 J class upgrades when you travel stby - it's 3/year and it's not POS or a guaranteed upgrade. It is a high priority pass - B1/J09 - standard stby travel is C2/Y10 - and the upgrade is after all coupons and points upgrades. You won't get upgraded on standard pass travel unless J is the last open seat on the plane... Agents took advantage of it in the past and so we all get F-d... There it is... |
Presume need to be Canadian citizen/ landed PR?
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Must have right to work in Canada.
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Must have the right to work in Canada Then, there's a good chance, that after you are processed as an asylum seeker, ask for the "no work" limitation on the visa to be lifted. After all, the tree hugging liberal Canadian govt seems to enjoy taking in hoards of 3rd world passport seekers to dilute the historical Anglo Saxon gene pool majority. It's worked well in UK, Sweden, France and the good ol' US of A to mention just a few. Hasn't it? |
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