Should I vote ".For" the Rule Change?
 

I guess I could ask this on the HKAOA forums, but I'd like to tap into the collective wisdom on pprune. Yep, I'm that bored.

Which way shouid I vote? Shouid I vote "for" the motion and allow the GC (most of whom I don't know) to end negotiations and lead me into a fight that I may or may not agree with? Or should I vote "against" and ensure that before the GC starts talking fight, I get the chance to accept whatever old pish the company has served up?

All the stuff about renaming the positions on the GC sounds like "Time to Win" and I would rather not waste bandwidth discussing that pseudo management-babble. It's the removal of the right to vote before going to the fightpath that interests me.

So what's the advice of the wise old brasso fuelled soaks on pprune?

They will never acquiesce to us Liam, EVER! They will bust it up or sell it whole or in pieces. AHK is where the freighter op is going and you can go or be made redundant. I was wondering why so many freighter captains are being trained, and FOs. It won't work out well for us no matter.

The only thing you should sign is a resignation letter. This place just isn't worth it any more. The stress and drama and lies this company perpetuates is sick. They are the most A moral and corrupt people I have ever seen. Like a bad marriage, sometimes love just ain't enough. You move on.

I think an A-Bomb is about to be dropped on all of us. You can hear that whistling sound!
I want to make it clear again, they don't care. They just sacked 600+ people ad did not bat an eyelash. You think they give a damn about us. Rostering alone should tell you what they think.

RUN FORREST RUN!!!!

The resignation averages are now starting to ramp upwards. Those that hesitate end up being junior to those that made the decision earlier. There is no future here for the younger pilots. Well, not one that you would want to endure. Get out now while the rest of the industry is growing and offering their pilots ever improving conditions. This company has a 20+ year history of lies, threats and ever reducing conditions. Not worth a single day of your careers.

“People who have visions should go to see their doctor”

H.Kissinger

Trafalgar,

how many did resign this year?

And how many last year, the year before etc?

PS I flew with an Australian S/O the other day. Chose Cathay over Quantas, more money, faster career.

You guys lost complete touch with reality.

Cathay prays on these guys. Too inexperienced to know what will make for a good career. No offense to them. We were all there once.

Think long and hard about what you want in the future. Giving up your few years of "seniority" at CX is nothing.

Don't look at the captain you fly with and think "that will be me one day"

It won't

There are guys in their 40s leaving with over a decade in.

What does that tell you?

Wrong. Only very few people leave Cathay actually.

QUANTAS?? STW your aviation experience must match your spelling ability! Am interested in what the U stands for? Google QANTAS and learn something. People are leaving you just don't hear it from the company, check the AOA monthly update....if you are a member of course!

Ok, spelling bees, QANTAS.

Happy now?

People resigning?

I am a AOA member, so I know people do not leave. As you do.

Joiners from early to mid 2011 -

2 x Thomas Cook
1 x Virgin Atlantic
2 x ANZ
1 x EZ
1 x Jet2 (plus 2 Senior Captains)
1 x HKE
1 x Qatar
1 x QANTAS

And thats just the ones I have heard about over a 6 to 9 month joining period.

Apparently 7+ in the hold pool at BA.

Exactly!

We have what, 3500 pilots?

You are talking about 0.something percent per year.

Mr Ting Wong,

I never claimed to have the #s. I do not. The company does, ask them. But it is a FACT people are resigning for employment elsewhere.

Try 30!! I just flew with an FO who is leaving this fall. Time to get in touch with reality. I'm on the slow boat out of China. Just vacuuming the last of the money out of "me old contract"!!!

box

Average Fool, what an appropriate name...

So just to clarify:

you don't know the numbers, but still you post people are leaving.

Don't you see the absurdity?

30 would be 0.8% and hence a very low attrition rate.

Yes, but that is just for BA!!

box

STW, once again, evidence that you are either part of management, or a wannabe management candidate (can't you see that all your posts are either in support of management, or to undermine the pilots). To my point: the numbers aren't "large" in a numerical sense (although statistically becoming so). What they are is a flashing red alarm. The people leaving are the ones with experience. Senior Captains, experienced FO's. Obviously you seem fine with an airline left with nothing but cadet SO's and inexperienced FO's and Captains (by historic standards). Go ahead and convince yourself that there is 'no difference' in the standard of operation. We'll revisit this topic the day the inevitable headline is in the SCMP. Funny old thing, I imagine you'll be nowhere to be found that day.

STW all those numbers I provided are from a 6 month joining period, which probably equates to between 5 to 10% of joiners at that time.

Pop along to the CAA test centre in KL and just see how many CX pilots are there doing their EASA ATPL's.

It must be hard to fly an approach with your head buried so far in the sand.

I am glad you enjoy the life at CX but the cold hard fact is that it's not that great for a lot of people and there are better options for the individual elsewhere. CX is quickly becoming a place to come and build wide body hours and then leave for a better fit.

Box am sat on the same boat!

Trafalgar, oh dear...

Firstly, I do not "undermine" pilots' rights by stressing the importance of the truth. You do.

Secondly, again, if you would have followed my advice the company would now have to pay millions more every month since January. You are unintentionally helping the company with your absurd claims. They have the real numbers, they know exactly who is leaving, and I am telling you: the numbers are very low.

Thirdly, about the upcoming pilot shortage, here is a post of you from a few years ago. Looks strangely familiar, doesn't it?

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Trafalgar's AvatarTrafalgar , 28th Dec 2013 22:12
Crap. The interesting thing is that the world over, there is a definite pilot shortage developing (pilots with experience....they can always get wannabe cadets). Slowly but surely the pay and benefits will increase. Within two or three years, many contract jobs will be better than CX. Give it time. In the meantime....I don't need a 'breastfeeding allowance'...!!

Follow your advice...? It's all about the money to you isn't it? And yes, the way CX is going most contract jobs WILL be better paid than CX, with better benefits, lifestyles and career potential. That is why we are now seeing ever increasing numbers of resignations. Signing a short term contract that effectively sells out the future is hardly the way to stop that trend increasing.