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tsimbeit 13th Jun 2017 03:13

Departing for a charter to offline ports and not making sure the charts are in the book onboard at pre-flight?

SoFarFromHome 13th Jun 2017 06:13

What about the pax?

If you didn't check the plates for your one off charter flight and only realise that you don't have them half way.....

Why not carry on to one of the other ports you frequent and send a message to Ops on the way to have the charts waiting for you on arrival. Quick top up, check the charts and off you go ( providing in hours of course )

Minor disruption for your paying passengers but at least you get them to destination.

tsimbeit 13th Jun 2017 07:07

Departing for a charter to offline ports and not making sure the charts are in the book onboard at pre-flight?

'It's the airlines responsibility..., the company system failed'.

Are we pilots not part of the airlines and the company system nowadays?

What about the poor passengers, our customers?

tsimbeit 13th Jun 2017 07:40


Originally Posted by ADFUS (Post 9800848)
Maybe the company should allow for more than 10 minutes at dispatch to check all the paperwork?

I'm sure there were plenty of plates on board. Charts not so much.

Did the company ever not allow for more than 10 minutes at dispatch to check all the paperwork?

How about checking the charts onboard during pre-flight?

tsimbeit 13th Jun 2017 09:12


Originally Posted by ADFUS (Post 9800914)
Sure they allow it. It's not counted towards my duty and I'm not getting paid for it. You wanna be a schmuck and spend your free time at work be my guest.

For a professional pilot I think it's probably a better choice being a ''schmuck', report early and do the job professionally than ending up a schlemiel.

GICASI2 13th Jun 2017 11:01

And you have hit the nail on the head - there are more schmucks than professionals nowadays. Gone are the days when the reliable chap(ess) would ensure a pad existed between leaving home, arriving at work (a work day) and 'signing on' to allow for the vagaries of travel and utilise the 'spare' time to do a bit of route study. No, we've (mostly) joined the socialist mainstream and only do what is necessary and rush to the bottom of the professional ladder. In fact, it is no longer a profession, merely a job - and you cannot blame the suits for that one.

bufe01 13th Jun 2017 17:28

I left my last job with 60 days leave/overtime to be converted into leave I never took and I have not one regret. Then I came here and after being screwed in every possible way I finally sadly realised this is a job. I had never said "I am going to work" before in my life, maybe "I am going to the airport" on a bad day, but then I started ! So don't give me, or many of us probably, this socialism mainstream condescending, patronising rubbish. Don't you dare implying we are not professionals or not acting likewise.
You may have come here on a different era and the company might have good to you, not to me and many of us with a number of years left in their career.
They pay the bills and that is all I am going to work for, at least for the foreseeable future.
BTW this was about what happened at KA and even though we don't know what happened the pundits are talking.

SloppyJoe 13th Jun 2017 21:08

Would anyone else have just used their ipad and kept quiet, or is it just me?

Shep69 13th Jun 2017 21:51


Originally Posted by SloppyJoe (Post 9801476)
Would anyone else have just used their ipad and kept quiet, or is it just me?

No it's not just you. I think most thinking pilots (and airlines for that matter) would have figured out SOME way to get the mission done safely and even as legally as can be given the situation. You've already launched without the charts necessary to complete the intended flight so whatever rules might be there are already broken. The key next is to do what is safe and makes sense. Possibly what you said, possibly it might be get chart data airborne (which verifies what you're looking at on your iPad is correct), complete the flight and have ground staff meet you at destination with what you need. And possibly if the weather is bad where you are going it might be better to divert and get what you need or turn back. People make mistakes and sometimes a few along the line do. Pilots jobs are to figure out what comes next to best solve the problem presented -- fix the problem don't fix the blame.

To me this kinda rings of the (possibly embellished) Quantas ditch vs autoland at a field below mins story.

That's why the OP seemed kinda screwy to me. Looked more like a cover story for something else which happened. If you look at the comedy of errors that had to happen and the comedy of actions which followed it just doesn't seem all that plausible. So I think something else might have been afoot.

Average Fool 14th Jun 2017 01:22

Was the in-flight internet an option?

White None 14th Jun 2017 10:43

To a370 on behalf of his colleagues
 
Yes I have the jumpseat APP on my personal iPad as do many others so we can HELP OUR FELLOW PILOTS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

There are many ways to demonstrate frustration or apply pressure to protect our deserved term and and conditions but missing an opportunity to help your mates in the name of punishing a faceless system who couldn't give a crap isn't one of them.

Please Mate, and anyone else adopting this stance, have a think about who you're hurting. (If you don't actually have the personal hardware, fair enough but that's not many folk these days)

TSIO540 14th Jun 2017 21:46


Originally Posted by Average Fool (Post 9801602)
Was the in-flight internet an option?

LMAO! What is in-flight internet?? We barely have in-flight movies

Airbubba 14th Jun 2017 22:03


Originally Posted by Shep69 (Post 9801520)
To me this kinda rings of the (possibly embellished) Quantas ditch vs autoland at a field below mins story.

Is this one based on an event that supposedly actually happened or is it one of those wacko interview hypotheticals that once were traditional in pilot interviews?

ROW_BOT 15th Jun 2017 05:11

Does Dragonair supply their pilots with a Checklist of Plates and currency dates?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?

tsimbeit 15th Jun 2017 06:39


Originally Posted by ROW_BOT (Post 9802549)
Does Dragonair supply their pilots with a Checklist of Plates and currency dates?
If you are required to check the plates before departure - how do you actually do it?
In other words, is there a formal and defined system, or is it just a quick flick through the book to see it the appropriate airports are somewhere in there?

The system worked successfully for 32 years, 'the worlds best regional airlines' awards.

ROW_BOT 15th Jun 2017 08:00

What system?


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