I think this is the end game. Death by degrees. I'll bet you that the 'takeover' of the company perfectly coincides with the fuel hedging conclusion. Staff will be released in large number blocks over time so the airline can function with what's left. They'll flip it for the 'slots and routes' value and walk away with the satisfaction that it will be the new owners who take the PR hit for shutting it down.

Oh, so that's your position: It HAS to be worse somewhere else, so we shouldn't complain. Again, what floor is your management office on? I'll drop by for a chat.

Despite the hype let's see how many 'senior' level managers and 'non expat terms' employees get the boot!! Perfect opportunity to remove all those pesky non locals !!

Just because the front end seats are full on the Loadsheet does not mean they actually paid the fare for the seat. I am astounded at the number of "free" upgrades (especially DM) in this airline.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

I can't believe they let some of you fly airplanes...

Get a grip.

We just looking small here.....our is one the few professions that hasnt/cant be outsourced or budgeted out or planes fall out of the sky or hit hills.

What we are experiencing what as upper middle class has been happening to all other businesses around the world for the last 15 plus years....managers get bonuses huge pay increases shareholders get paid (all be judas is what they are) and the staff have to work harder for less money for less benefits. You whine and you get painted as over paid spoilt bitches , and they wheel out how bad others have it like jetstar etc and stop complaining. Seriously stop with that bs to drag down our profession. Instead of lifting others its a race to the bottom for another profession.

Time to face it they will force a fight and we all sick of the bully so we will stand and noone will win, people will lose jobs the airline will suffer where it will end noone knows but yeah its over here at CX time to look elsewhere probably

So to put this in perspective , an individual or group of people in management make an imbecilic decision on fuel hedging and now hundreds of hard working office staff are loosing their jobs as a result . This is shocking hypocrisy at its very worst .
But because no one directly responsible for this mess has been held responsible , it does bring out the conspiracy theories , just who exactly was on the other side of the fuel hedging issue ?
Personally I think that the ICAC and a team of forensic accountants should already be delving very deeply into this

'Hard working office staff....'?
Let's not get carried away....

Try asking a simple question via email to benefits or the leave section.

It takes 1-2 weeks to get a reply.

Oh and while we are on the subject. A heart felt message of sympathy from me to the handful of 3rd floor pilot managers who are set to lose there positions and return to line flying... Chin Up, you will all be missed.

To be fair this last week the phones were answered with 2 rings..

Thank god we accepted the payrise and the housing deal, plus the HKPA improvement. Imagine to negotiate now! That would be such a pain, wouldn't it?

Now the deal will take us into 2019 when all the fuel hedge losses are gone.

So glad Trafalgar, Dan Buster, Cxorcist, mngmt mole, ah the list is too long.. so glad all these super bright and clever individuals active in this forum supported the deal.

Thank you!!

When you next pick up the satcom because the #1 engine has shutdown, or one of your pax is suffering a heart attack.......somebody always answers.

Best Regards,

A Retired 'Office Worker'

And the next time you're sitting in the back of an aeroplane and it goes from A to B you will find a couple of pilots up the front.
What's your point?
I was referring more to our colleagues who are less than productive, squirrelled away somewhere in the back rooms of Kitty city warming seats or the 'cannot ' brigade who go out of there way to ensure that a relatively easy request turns into an absolute palava.

Mr Hunt,

a bit confused.. just so simple minds like me understand it.ALL Cathay Managers are all useless ( silly rethoric question haha) AND all the office workers, plus of course the horrible cabin crew, we all know how terrible terrible our service is, right?
So, ONLY the pilots are the bright spot, correct? ( of course NOT including non-white c-scale pilots, and it goes without saying,management pilots,right?)

Sympathy too for the guy serving the coffees on the street. Perhaps his clock is ticking too since 99% of his customers are those very same Pilot Managers who spend hours there 4-5 times a day, drinking away and patting each others backsides.

Can we not just agree ONLY pilots are actually doing anything in this airline? Bloody free loaders, the rest. Shame!

Put it this way STW ( AKA "The Management" Mk 2) - 190 pilots would be missed far more than 190 so called Managers. Obviously CX can do without them so why are they there?
Without half a dozen of them or so, we wouldn't have blown a fortune on spot price gambling- HEDGING!! Sorry - didn't mean to bring that up.

I could not agree more.
We are the backbone of this airline!

Well,pilots are paid to get an aeroplane from A to B without crashing it, no matter the colour of your skin ,so we are holding up our end.
Cabin crew are paid to look after the safety and the wellbeing of the passengers. They are doing there bit.
Managers by definition are paid to manage the resources to make sure the business is profitable.... so are they holding up there end of the bargain?
As far as the service is concerned, is it as good as ten years ago? Probably not.
Does it need to be?
Depends where you want the airline to be in terms of Full Service or otherwise and what your competitors are offering.