US Military critical pilot shortage
Good article regarding the 'raiding' of the US military by the US airlines, who are desperate to replace the many thousands of retiring airline pilots. You would think CX management would be smart enough see the coming tidal wave of options for pilots. Oh, wait....
Stop-Loss an Option for Air Force to Keep Departing Pilots |
Well, I guess they know that trainers will keep on training the retirees' replacements, so CX is still a better option than, say, Air Asia for people without US passports/ green cards
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar
(Post 9736013)
Good article regarding the 'raiding' of the US military by the US airlines, who are desperate to replace the many thousands of retiring airline pilots.
My, my, my...the general is gettin' a little testy ? "The goal of the meeting will be to find ways to solve the exodus of Air Force pilots to the industry in a way that is mutually acceptable for the U.S. military and the airlines — without the Air Force having to resort to 'stop-loss,' a means of forcing Air Force personnel to stay in the service beyond the period of their commitment. Everhart said he has already told airline executives that stop-loss is an option. 'I said to the industry … if we can’t meet the requirements, the chief could drop in a stop-loss — and you need to understand that,' he said." :-)))) |
Trafalgar, please remind me. Since when do you see a major pilot shortage just about to happen?
Is it 5 or 10 years? |
Read the article Sam. The US general says that they are already suffering from a crisis, and the US airlines say that within a few years they will not be able to fill enough of their seats after taking into account retirements. What is your point?
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Traf
Their will be never a crisis at cx for pilots, standards just get lower and lower and you will keep on training them up ! Simples |
Originally Posted by goathead
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Traf
Their will be never a crisis at cx for pilots, standards just get lower and lower and you will keep on training them up ! Simples |
Originally Posted by cxorcist
(Post 9737058)
Not me, don't lump me in with the trainers trying to take zero (or near zero experience) pilots into the right seat of widebodies. That will never happen with my help. An A320 or 737 is one thing, this is entirely different. B747s should not be flown by those with double or triple digit hour flight experience. Period. Full stop. The notion that these neophytes belong in these cockpits is absurd. Any arguments to the contrary are truly fake news.
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Having flown both widebody and narrow body I would much rather see a low hour pilot go into the wide body. That said with the proper training I don't see the issue with either.
What exactly makes a narrow body a better place for these low hour pilots? |
The politicians would claim that the problem is too many military aircraft.
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Originally Posted by juliet
(Post 9738079)
Having flown both widebody and narrow body I would much rather see a low hour pilot go into the wide body. That said with the proper training I don't see the issue with either.
What exactly makes a narrow body a better place for these low hour pilots? Put it simply. What's easier? Cessna 172 or PA-44? PA-44 or DHC-8? DHC-8 or B737? B737 or B747? Pretty simple math, my lady. Sure, full automation might be easier on larger and more complex aircraft, but aside from that, the job gets harder, not easier. |
A330 vs A321??
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The other issue that everyone has missed is narrow bodies tend to have short sectors and often fly during the day when the capt is wide awake . We fly 5-7 sectors on heavy freighters most of which are back of the clock for HK crews
Landing a heavy 744 after a 12 hour flight is a very different animal to a 737 after a 2 hour flight |
And I would argue that I've been more tired flying domestic narrow body flights than long haul. Each to their own I guess.
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Originally Posted by juliet
(Post 9738824)
And I would argue that I've been more tired flying domestic narrow body flights than long haul. Each to their own I guess.
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Originally Posted by juliet
(Post 9738824)
And I would argue that I've been more tired flying domestic narrow body flights than long haul. Each to their own I guess.
How about, when you are landing three times a day, you build your proficency more quickly than when landing three times a month. Then your total time really means something besides hours spent sleeping and reading. |
Jesus you guys are defensive. I've got a different viewpoint, doesn't make either of us right or wrong.
Unfortunately I've had the divorce, have the usual financial pressures, have the kids and been doing this for over 20 years now so frankly I do know what I'm talking about. Long haul, short haul and military, I have enough experience to know what makes me fatigued. Others will be different, but for me short haul narrow body ops has been the worst. If some of you did a bit more listening and were open to other views you might find it beneficial. |
Originally Posted by JammedStab
(Post 9739299)
How about, when you are landing three times a day, you build your proficency more quickly than when landing three times a month. Then your total time really means something besides hours spent sleeping and reading.
I found my systems and SOPs knowledge was better long haul, but my operational manipulation skills were better short haul. Maybe it all balances out. |
Absolutely, fair point. I'm just trying to highlight that short haul, narrow body ops are generally busier. Again, personally I would take a single 12 hour sector over a 4-5 sector 11 hour duty day. Each to their own though.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 9736126)
My, my, my...the general is gettin' a little testy ?
"The goal of the meeting will be to find ways to solve the exodus of Air Force pilots to the industry in a way that is mutually acceptable for the U.S. military and the airlines — without the Air Force having to resort to 'stop-loss,' a means of forcing Air Force personnel to stay in the service beyond the period of their commitment. Everhart said he has already told airline executives that stop-loss is an option. 'I said to the industry … if we can’t meet the requirements, the chief could drop in a stop-loss — and you need to understand that,' he said." "The Air Force moved quickly last week to quell concerns that it would force pilots to stay in uniform beyond their agreed-to separation dates." Stop-Loss Rejected By Air Force - AVweb flash Article A bit more. Gee, do ya really think so ?: "The Air Force feels that implementing a stop-loss policy would cause pilots to flee the Air Force before the door closed, and they won't stick around to see if things improve." https://www.airforcetimes.com/articl...-retain-pilots |
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