PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Fragrant Harbour (https://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-19/)
-   -   The FRIDAY LIAR (https://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/592422-friday-liar.html)

A3301FD 19th Mar 2017 13:46

The FRIDAY LIAR
 
Having just read the utter tripe in this weeks Friday Liar from the DFO, those individuals that are electing to leave, do not forget to state in your letter to the DFO upon resignation, "If you're just here, purely for the benefits , then there are probably better offers."

BusyB 19th Mar 2017 14:48

I have personal knowledge of pay increments being stopped for a Captain that apparently extended the rest on a split duty incorrectly.

I also have knowledge of a GMA who tried to insist that a Captain not use a credit card to ensure a flight was not delayed 12hours. The Captain ignored the GMA and the flight departed on schedule preventing untold costs for pax hotels and re-booked flights. Nothing happened to the GMA and the Captains VR was hushed up.

I suspect AT is telling "Porkies" unless she means only management are not punished!!!

broadband circuit 19th Mar 2017 14:56

What about the captains who lost pay increments for calling unfit (fatigue) because of a ridiculous and last minute roster change in their WOCL.

betpump5 19th Mar 2017 16:26

Yet there are moronic psychopaths (Sam Ting Wong aka PM) who thinks we should have accepted their abysmal offer last year - along with clause 7.

Kontract Killer 19th Mar 2017 18:23

PM is a legend in his own lunch box, if you don't believe me, just ask him.

Average Fool 19th Mar 2017 18:53

Beyond words.

Lies. Plain and simple.

Zero leadership
Zero integrity
Zero respect

It's pure embarrassment these people are running OUR airline.

goathead 19th Mar 2017 23:27

Over the past 3 CEO's shares are down 40%
Time to Win!
Magic broom required
Senior Management guilty again
$63 million dollar fine finally announced in EU antitrust judgement
The Corruption is top down and filters all the way through the ranks of management.
Pathetic.

mr did 20th Mar 2017 00:34

This Swire posting cycle will tell us all we need to know. If this Fuel Hedging debacle is really a screw up, heads to roll. If we see the same faces, it was part of the plan all along. I wonder if the ICAC and HKIRD will be taking note...

Bob Hawke 20th Mar 2017 06:45

Mr Did. You're on the money me thinks. I hope you're wrong, but nothing surprises me with this latest EU decision.

Starbear 20th Mar 2017 11:33

It is truly astonishing that she is even attempting to equate an individual POSSIBLE pilot misjudgment or correct judgement in a dynamic perhaps stressful situation that must be made within a few seconds, with a humongous cockup such the fuel hedging with days, weeks, hours and endless data available to decide.
She/they simply and obviously just don't get it. It's not the bad (horrendous) judgement call itself that matters but the ownership of the same which counts. And that they have singularly failed to do.

Trafalgar 20th Mar 2017 16:24

Starbear. Honestly, what were you really expecting from AT? What has she done since she arrived? RP's and Sickness management. Just another broken part of a broken machine. None of them have a shred of credibility. The train wreck will continue.

Starbear 20th Mar 2017 16:26


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9712777)
Starbear. Honestly, what were you really expecting from AT? What has she done since she arrived? RP's and Sickness management. Just another broken part of a broken machine. None of them have a shred of credibility. The train wreck will continue.

I know , I know. Doesn't reduce my incredulity though.

Trafalgar 20th Mar 2017 16:34

I hear you. It's like a daily horror show at the moment, and they are the only one's who can't see it for what it is.

Starbear 20th Mar 2017 18:41

I momentarily wondered how many sets of new landing gear one could buy for squandered fuel hedge loss money but decided that was pointless, easier probably to calculate how many brand spanking new A350s instead. But no matter let's draw a line under it and move on.

anotherbusdriver 21st Mar 2017 09:03

Well said Curtain.

And it seems so counter intuitive for this management team to be continuing down a path that has brought them to this very point. LEANIng, slashing, removing quality, and not owning their mess ups. Instead, hunting for ways to cover their blunders, and pay for them via paths that have been functioning very well up until they started their slashing and burning.

They want the CMP to provide them with more productivity - because that will help, surely? But without the benefit of more rest and better schedules, and less fatigue.

They want us flying everywhere on absolute Min Fuel - because that will surely help? ... Until the first big unforecast Springtime storm (coming soon!!) causes chaos as per every year with shock and surprise. This time though, with the new HK ATC system, and absolute fumes in the tanks - the "chaos" will be raised up a level to "carnage" I expect.

The solution lies not in the blame game, or the silly new management acronyms that they keep coming up with. The solution to the problem is identifying the problem. That their ridiculous path to the cheapest solution is the wrong path, that their leadership is not working.

I offer a solution in the "Peter Principle", and dare management to look internally and stop with the self denial, and self protection. Own up to the problem, and LEAD BY EXAMPLE....

Make every single employee from Board Members down, go through a series of EQ, IQ and Skills tests (and possible personality disorder tests as well!!.. get rid of the psychopaths while we are at it!!). Let each employee reapply for their position - - most importantly review honestly who is running the show, and why are they in their positions if the skills and personality and IQ/ EQ are not up to the job.

Let's get really honest with ourselves. I dare you!!!!

Avinthenews 21st Mar 2017 09:45

Inviting that level of "loss of face" unfortunately will never happen.

CX is culturally broken, the East working with West that worked in the beginning and up to the early 90s is long gone, we're on a slow road to China.

anotherbusdriver 21st Mar 2017 11:14

Av, whilst I appreciate it is difficult to critically look inwards and accept the problem lies within, the "loss of face" of owning up to being part of the problem is is not about "China". This whole fiasco has the stench of "old boys club" stagnation all over it.

There has been a downward spiral of "laurel-resting", and "blame-gaming" since the early 90's, this whole inbred management programme of keeping managers in-house does not lead to inspiration and creativity, it just creates mini clones of whatever idea is being taught at Oxbridge/ ENSEAD.

How about the company looks to becoming a "meritocracy" - quality, diversity, creativity, and innovative thinking become the required skill set. Promotions should be skills based, not opinion based. Instead of amazing new ideas and leaders we keep getting the same old, same old....
Like attracts like and stagnates in mediocrity.

Zapp_Brannigan 21st Mar 2017 12:15

"we cannot find enough experienced pilots willing to join on the crappy conditions we offer, so we are considering lowering the requirements"

Geniuses...

Max Reheat 21st Mar 2017 14:06

Consider this...

What if the hedging team, back in 2015, had recommended that we don't hedge right now!
What if someone at the very top of the food chain had overridden their recommendation?
Then in the reshuffle we won't be seeing any heads rolling, well not those responsible for this mess anyway.

spleener 21st Mar 2017 14:43

Anna: The fuel hedging fiasco would be, in a more robust locale, a culpable act of company negligence on behalf of its shareholders. Pilots guilty of culpable mistakes have been terminated.
And, let us not forget that the reward for getting it totally wrong in aviation can be rather lethal. I'm not expecting the death penalty for cavalier company financial management, just a little quid pro quo?


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:43.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.