I have been told that the pilots were expecting a month's salary for CNY, however they received nothing. Cabin crew were expecting around 3-4 months, but instead received 1 month.

Apparently the a350 due end of February may be delayed and morale on the line has dropped significantly, with many pilots now actively looking to leave.

The Los Angeles, Vancouver, and Auckland routes are not doing particularly well, and apparently with Hainan in dire straits the expansion may be all but over.

They did just receive a very old a330! It's from Avalon so a Hainan Group of companies. The a330-343, they were expecting in December will not come as the lessor did not want to take the risk. It is parked in Tarbes.

I have also been told that the company is not in trouble as it is profitable, however without the backing of Hainan it will not be able to expand to all the destinations they want to serve.

Don't shoot the messenger

No worries, Cathay Dragon will take that when Hainan pulls the plug.

The reason the routes are not doing well is cos business travellers don't trust the perceived lower experienced pilots working at HKA. Their perception, but Philippinos, Brazilians and a few Russians isn't a great selling point.
Don't shoot the messenger :)

Wow..why the nation naming? So u saying Filipinos, Brazilians and Russians are dangerous pilots?

Sensitive much? Snowflake!

It’s fair to say that the aviaition regulatory bodies in those countries make the CAD look like being on the cutting edge of aviation oversight.

As the poster said, it’s all about perception. Are those concerned businessmen catching flights to Manila for open heart surgery at Ferdinand Marcos public hospital?
You can legislate against xenophobia, but you can’t legislate what’s in someone’s head. (Except maybe in Philipines, Brazil or Russia)

Curtain rod

So u agree mate? U are better of with Kwai lows in asian airlines? Cmon.

Wow its all kicking off here isn't it?

Thank you for your honest and through response. I probably will not apply to HKA based on this number.

I am currently working at FlightSafety international as an instructor. I haven’t flown with any regularity since being hired at FlightSafety.I am looking for a job.

If my pass rate was that low I would be fired. It reflects poorly on the instruction. I have NEVER had a client fail on my current airplane.

It brings me to a few questions:

• Why is the failure rate so high? Airmanship,Systems Knowledge, Blown approaches, Crashed ets.
• Where is a good place for me to apply? I need to be an F. O. for a short time to get the ups and down back in my short-term memory but I have 7K TT and plenty of Jet PIC.
• I am looking for F. O. time and a fast upgrade.

Back to this checkairman who is a total crap shoot. (I’m a checkairman) When he says something stupid you respond enthusiastically with “I have heard that before but someone else told me it wasn’t in the manual. Can you show me where that is?” Consider reading up on how to manage a “Yellow” personality before your next encounter.

Any updates on this?

Do you know how many new hires (cadet and experienced hire) per year approximately?

To be honest I’m more interested in the post-hainan situation! Any update on this?

what is the time to command for Fos in HKA?

Any where between 2-5 years depending on ones flying hours.

You can try next door at Air Macau. They take DEC and DFO. Only 2 years after release to start the upgrade process if you join as FO.

Depends on
1. color of Passport. Preferably the non-Singaporean red
2. if you came from the greatest and the best: MH/MAS
3. The kind of shoe polish you got
4. How well one kisses (insert body part)
4. Which friends u got in management
5. How well one understands nepotism

There are Bolehsian FOs and then there are Napoleon’s FOs!!

Just come here, enjoy the work, and don’t expect too much. When it’s your turn and your file haven’t been mysteriously “overlooked” or bypassed in seniority, just give the course a shot and see what happens!

Somebody mentioned that HKA pays peanuts for STBY.. How do they compensate for other ground duties, incl. simulator training, office duties etc. - or is this all part of "basic salary"? also, do positioning hours count towards productivity hours?

Well, when you have a former Cathay Cat "D", pilot being taken on and bypass very competent pilots to be assistant fleet manager with lightning speed what do you expect.
Cat"D", Cathay, unsuitable for command.
Political appointee only, not based on intelligence and ability.
The bloke's a moron.
The Chinese english assessor, gave a Brit a 4 for English assessment????.
It is a screwed up company, and without Hinan support it will struggle.
But you know mainland, they will not be able to face the embarrassment of such a public humiliation, so they will support it and bring it into the "fold",.
So it will survive, with the morons at the top.

I guffaw'd at 'Bolehsian'. That's v good.I must use that too..

Any updates on how things are at HKA with the current HNA situation?

Morale? Outlook?