Care to tell us Why?

Well, the way I see it, you're either extremely immature or an outsider troll looking for dirt. But if you are one of us, then nothing is stopping you from heading on upstairs and asking the individual yourself.

That's hardly fair.
How can we be immature if we have no idea what this is about?
Trolling? Nah, superfrozo had a go at trolling just because no one would say what happened, not the other way round.
Seriously whats the point in the Big R in PPRuNe if the only rumor we get is that there is a rumor, but we aren't allowed to know what it is? All that does is makes people intrigued, you can see that by the fact that this is 3 pages in and yet still no content.

I have no idea why so many of you are rushing to this managers defense. Despite what a good guy you think he may be, he will not hesitate to put your name down next to 48 others on a list if the higher ups ask him to do so.

He should get whatever is coming to him, no sympathy here.

Ops A
 

6.3 Alcohol & Other Drugs
6.3.1 Appropriate Behaviour
6.3.1.1 Problematic Use of Alcohol or Other Drugs

Crew members shall not be under the adverse effect of alcohol or other drugs, including medication, to an extent so as to impair the proper performance of their duties in any respect, whilst at work.

A Crew member is considered to be ‘At Work’ where he is performing the duty related to his employment with Cathay Pacific Airways Limited. It includes the intent to carry out a flight duties, positioning, ground training, ground duties and Reserve duties.

If it had been an iCadet you would have all crucified him by now!

Ask what to whom?
Most bizarre thread ever...

Forget iCadet.
Imagine if the person involved was the same position just on the other fleet.:}

3 pages this would not be. Make it 30.

I must admit to considerable envy of, what appears to be a Management Pilot being fiercely protected by, er, Management. Us ordinary Bods would be left to flounder. Looks like the "Old Boy's " network , Freemasons, Privy Council , "waster" (in the Middle East) etc, etc, remain very much in charge. Boo hoo. Where do I join ? I mean, do I have to pay someone or is it an inheritance(kinda ) thing ?

Captn Kirk et al,

You're either not one of ours (so it's none of your business) or you're deaf and stupid. Cause everyone listening knows who it is.

Pretty easy to check flight crew list for 838 around the day in question... if you actually work for CX that is.

Sounds very much like gear up max thrust is one and the same individual
Wonder when his promotion is announced ?

Have a browse of the crew lists, it's not hard to figure out....

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Or ask any cabin crew .....

Heard that he is taking a spot of let's call it leave
Let's see what the company do about it because had
It been any of us we would be in deep s--t

Truth and rumours!?

From my sources, and to paraphrase Mark Twain, GL's alleged crimes are grossly exaggerated!

I have heard from two second hand sources now - and neither come even close to the wonderful conjecture of the previous posts on this thread. So I will conclude by saying, rumour is far more interesting than the truth!

"I have heard from two second hand sources now..."

Yeah, glad we cleared up that rumor once and for all!

Ha ha - you got me iflylow - I missed my own hubris;-)

Numero Cruncher,
 

2 of my second hand connections confirmed the restraining device was used. Yeah, the rumor is way exaggerated.

But what were they used for?

Some clown went barmy. What's the bid deal?

SpeedVB
 

The big deal is that if it was any other employee they would be out of a job and possibly on a no fly list. It's the double standard. " We hold our managers to a high standard" is the big deal.

.... and besides, it's not as if he does it very often. :rolleyes:

Well if that was the issue ,then he clearly needs to go back to ground school
He should have known that it is impossible to open a door in flight .

But yes it's a total double standard .
Look at what happened to the chief pilot of the Seattle fly by incident . so will this be judged in the same light .?

The major issue now becomes , how will he ever be in a position to discipline a crew member for any minor infraction of the rules ?

Synchro, only if it makes you tube.

I don't see how he can ever return to his previously held position after something like this
It will be very interesting to see how this will be handled once he returns from sick leave , or will the the ever pervasive double standards be applied as per usual

The ONLY thing this company does well is double standards. :ugh:

Don't you go to jail for attempting to open a door in flight?

I have it on good authority that most of the rumours are untrue.

Has it occurred to you that the 4 pilots and many cabin crew from that day have been flying around and telling people what the truth actually is?

Memories are so short on this ..


Anyone remember the off duty drunk guy who in his poor state after a nite on the town took home a Octupus machine?

If you appeared in the office during that bruhaa there was a large cadre of managers calling for said guys dismissal... He survived by grace.....and maybe an act of kindness....but


The double standard this reeks of is disgusting....

And anyone who peels the line "on good authority" is helping the company spin..

GL is a good guy but unless there is mitigating circumstances or the incident is highly exaggerated....he should face the higher standard that senior officers such as Captains and even higher standards that should be held for managers....with transparency and not the cloak and dagger coverup thats occuring

I would allow a case of double standard in this case, if necessary.(not that it matters!)
He is one of the guys and is one of the few up there doing a responsible job of keeping things safe and fair.
True leadership, and not just a yes-man.

There's an elephant in the living room.

Stilnox and friends.

The elephant in the room must have read Part A regarding the use of such medicines.

The company has zero tolerance to such behaviour!

Curtain Rod, et al,

There is nothing new in the way cx has handled this incident. There's no double standards or hypocrisy. It's the same old playbook they use time and time again. It doesn't matter if it's an operational matter or breach of discipline.

Do nothing, say nothing.
Those involved given a few weeks PRA and hidden away.
See if the media finds anything, and, if so, what their take on it is.
Act in accordance with the suggestions from the editor of the Apple Daily.

Remember every office in cx city from the 9th floor down had a framed photo of the wilkinson sword. Right up until the day CNN lampooned it as a cowboy stunt. I hope those photos were placed in the recycle bin and not just shredded.
And the same playbook was used with the crew of cx780. "We have no comment until the investigation is complete". In the meantime, the media and aviation bodies worldwide were singing the praises of the crew involved with cx's belated praise being mute, weak and looking ridiculous.

Changing the playbook would require leadership.
That's not going to happen while this circus meanders along with Ivan the Invisible and Anna the Incompetent.

"Leadership"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
Not a shred of that particular attribute has been in evidence anywhere in Cathay for years.
'Yes men' and 'Yes ladies' one and all. Do as your told. Never argue or resign ( not one Manager has ever resigned in protest - even when ordered to fire their own colleagues).
Expecting 'Leadership' from a culture developed over decades is as futile as expecting accountants to take a back seat in Swire's decision- making processes. It ain't going to happen.

I thought BS resigned in protest.

Progress Wanchai
 

Wrong! 18 months ago a pilot was accused of smelling of alcohol, 3 days later he was out of the building. No media involvement. In his hearing, the GMA only had one line , straight from Part A as quoted in a previous post.
Various lawyers was amazed in how tests was performed, scaring me for the future as CX propose random testing, but that is another subject matter.
Advice from lawyers to said pilot was , it is a slam dunk case, just not in Hong Kong against Swire.
A definite double standard..

Progress Wanchai
 

Progress Wan Chai

No argument with the general sentiment of your latest post (no 85)........

however I seem to recall a ready endorsement and support of the CX780 crew by the Airbus fleet office very soon after the event, before any investigation had been started let alone completed.

An easy Google search provides the following:

Crew Actions
The Captain and First Officer both displayed commendable professionalism and airmanship of the highest order in successfully handling the challenging situation they faced.


And justifiably so!!