One day strike
 

I think all Pilots world-wide should go on strike for one day to protest the shooting down of MH 17. The message should be clear - THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Not acceptable because of the obvious disregard for innocent peoples' lives, not acceptable because of the obvious slavish adherence to economics by routing flights over war zones and not acceptable because of the complete lack of concern - again - for the opinions and input from the professionals that crew civilian airliners from politicians, oversight agencies and the entities that employ us.

One day strike
 

I wonder if there would be enough Tarmac to park them all up should EVERY ac on this planet be grounded. ?

For years,it has been time for a worldwide twenty-four hour strike by every IFALPA pilot, in order to put airline managements on notice that pilots have had enough of deteriorating salaries and conditions.

We are one of the few professions capable of shutting down the entire planet.

One day strike
 

Dart....while I completely agree with your sentiment and certainly share your frustration at the current state of our industrial/remuneration affairs world-wide, I proffer this idea as a way for us to say 'enough is enough' on a purely moral, humanitarian level. I believe this event totally transcends our dismal industrial state of affairs. Who here in the fragrant harbour community wants to be flying in the vicinity of the Daioyu Islands (something we do every day) when the Chinese or Japanese military 'accidentally' fires the first missile off?......not me, and I would imagine, none of my passengers either. It is UNACCEPTABLE to shoot down an unarmed civilian airliner for whatever reason, period.

Can we make it tomorrow? I'm on a G day. :zzz:

Ridiculous thread.

One day strike
 

Will IB
I'm sorry that you feel that way.
Bang

Ok, I will go on strike too...Bang, pls let us know when you plan to do it, and all of us will follow you...

Bang..bloody good idea!! Can I suggest that as pilots, we also identify ALL the global hot zones and refuse to overfly...it's about time decisions are brought back into the flight deck and away from the desk jockeys who have no idea of principled decision making or indeed safety.

One day strike
 

I will be suspending my revenue generating activities on....

8/8/14

Care to join me?

So BadBigDong you're on a G day too eh?

Whilst I can empathise with the OP, all such action would achieve is to inconvenience passengers all over the world without punishing the guilty.

Re the Dart comment: well, that's for a different reason.

One day strike
 

LTICX.....Maybe, maybe not.
PUCKA....Identifying hot zones, advising us to stay away from them, isn't that
one of the reasons why IFALPA exists or are we being underserved there also?

Care to join me?

I think a flyby of the Kremlin would be better! Let pooty poot know we are unhappy.

Yes Bang..I think the 8th will be an appropriate start...drinks?
IFALPA...mmm...probably the only organisation that can apply pressure to ICAO ..either way..all the appropriate associations that represent us, need to coherently and with unity, say NO to hot zone overflights...

Inappropriate flippancy associated with a tragedy.

STP

I think we should form a committee so that all our flying brothers...and sisters, can actively participate in a forum to discuss the reprehensible treatment...**** it...follow the gourd!

Rhodesia...two Viscounts shot down, no international strike.

Iranian Airbus shot down by USS Vincennes....no international strike.

KAL 007 shot down by the Russians...again no international strike.


Your dreaming.

MH17 was clearly shot down by the Russian backed separatists because there was a doctor on board travelling to KL for the conference on the Arse Injected Death Sentence...and he had a cure. So, the big pharmaceutical companies angered by the loss of potential revenue hired Vlad to shoot down the jet. Simples :ok:

The Ukrainian military shot down Siberian Airlines Flight 1812
 

Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 was shot down by the Ukrainian military over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia

GF771, reported as a bombing but widely believed to be an accidental shoot down.

Dan Buster
 

Errrr.... No. I work for CX...that got checked out of me by managements example.

Moderators. Pls remove A3301's post and bar this idiot. Absolute disgrace.

The notion of a global strike is as meaningless as hashtag politics.

You want sensitivity...hug a tree

You want to go on a global strike...do it for the right reason, global degradation of pilots contracts and conditions worldwide.

This was an accidental shoot-down, pure and simple. Happens in conflict areas. You want to point the finger, point it at those who should be scrutinised, Malaysian Airlines, ICAO, and Putin.

Putin hasn't listened to anybody...and you motards think he will listen to pilots having a strike. Seriously?

The crash of MH17 is a horrible thing, and desire to blame someone is understandable. Russia and Putin are an easy target, why, the media has named the guilty party for us before any kind of investigation has begun! Take a step back though, and you will see a different picture.

Eastern Ukraine is a WAR ZONE, and has been for months. Samantha Power at the UN has just dazzled all with her knowledge of military flying machines downed over that area in the weeks leading up to this tragedy. The new Ukrainian government certainly knew about the danger to aircraft - they were losing them hand over fist! EASA and Euro Control must have known a thing or two about the situation - I mean they can get really political when they choose to, and close the Airspace over Crimea to all traffic on April 2nd even though no fighting ever took place there!

So yes, if you want to point the finger, point it at these who should be scrutinised:

1. The Government of Ukraine (kept on a short leash by our star spangled bannered friends, mind you!)
2. UN and its ICAO
3. EASA and Euro Control
4. Malaysian Airlines

The first three were responsible for CLOSING THE AIRSPACE over a war zone. They have failed to do so, and that is a crime!

Malaysian Airline should have known better after the MH370, but it was tough for them - everyone else was flying there too! Unbelievable!!! CX has just put out a little release saying we have not flown through there "for some months", but they didn't say why - a brilliant foresight or just dumb luck?..

One day strike
 

T101....exactly!
A330....I respect your right to air your opinion and would fight to the death to preserve that right but...see T101's post, if you care to.

Further to the post by T101: I see this tragedy as completely and entirely unacceptable. I want to send a message to all culpable stakeholders in this despicable act. That message is:-

No more, we've had enough! Aircraft will NOT move on the 8th. We, and our passengers will no longer be sacrificed for military, political, economic or oversight expedience. It is unacceptable to shoot down an unarmed civilian airliner, period.

Care to join me?
Bang

One day strike
 

By Jim McAuslan, BALPA General Secretary

The only people to blame for the cold-blooded murder of the passengers, pilots and rest of the crew of flight MH17 as it flew over Ukraine are those responsible for firing the missile that brought it down.
British pilots know that under the current piecemeal system for flying over conflict areas it could easily have been them in control of the flight targeted in this incident or future incidents, if this system is not changed.
While we mourn for the colleagues and passengers lost we demand that lessons are learned and changes made to protect passengers and pilots from ever becoming targets again.
This approach is how British pilots, represented by The British Airline Pilots' Association (BALPA), have helped make flying so safe - but our mission remains to make every single flight safe.
The current process behind the choice of airspace routing is based on a risk assessment; both by a country's national aviation security services in the advice that they give to their airlines, and by the airline in how they assess this advice.
This risk assessment approach can give an illusion of safety but it is in fact vulnerable to all sorts of influences including commercial pressure.
It is not surprising to us that there are differences in the way that this risk is assessed by different airlines.
The current approach has been proven, in the worst possible way, to be utterly flawed.
Passengers and pilots want an open and uniform level of safety, not one that is decided in secret and in different ways by airlines and countries.
Global leadership from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) is urgently needed to respond to last week's tragic incident in the Ukraine and in all operations in or over areas of hostility.
ICAO's purpose should be to lead where national authorities cannot and it should have the tools to do that.
The problem of the absence of a clear international co-ordination to avoid operations above eastern Ukraine has now become tragically obvious and to avoid a repeat ICAO should be better resourced and enabled to declare airspace unsafe.
ICAO also needs to reflect on its own rules of membership.
Participating states enjoy privileges such as free movement, but with that comes responsibility.
If a state does not live up to that responsibility, such as sharing of information and allowing full and free access to accident investigation, then membership and privileges should be reconsidered.
This tragic incident could have been avoided and we must make sure that no more families, friends and colleagues lose their loved ones in this horrific way.
Pilots will continue to do everything we can to make every flight safe.

Aren't we fed up of 'lets throw a flight at this airspace and see if it comes out the other end' attitude to airline safety?

8/8...no airliners move, care to join me?
Bang