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NIPPI 2000 9th Nov 2013 07:49


Originally Posted by SMOC
Last month I heard KA making a precaution descent of only a few thousand feet, a problem with a door was mentioned to ATC, which had us scratching our heads as to which checklist has a precautionary descent of a few thousand feet?This was in the HK FIR nearing the Taiwan FIR.

Probably he was referring to something called Airmanship. Sadly, it is something which many Airbus (all the way) Drivers haven't heard of.

You should try it sometime. It's awesome :D

SMOC 9th Nov 2013 08:58

Oh of course Nippi, please tell us all about your wonderful airmanship and what a few thousand feet will do?

In particular to the cabin diff pressure?

I'm talking about descending from FL330 to FL300

NIPPI 2000 9th Nov 2013 10:17

Probably they thought, if they really going to have a problem with the doors, then they will reach a lower level a bit faster? And probably being under the majority of traffic on a really busy airway, they have to be concerned less about dealing with other airplanes on the way down, which might have been on weather avoidance? Etc, Etc : :rolleyes:

Obviously I don't know all the details what led to the decision of the KA Crew to descent a bit lower but neither do you. But I am sure they had a more complete picture than you and I or some Monday morning aviation quarterback here on pprune :p

Killaroo 9th Nov 2013 18:23

LIBRUM SOLUS eh SMOC?
CAVE CANEM!

Killaroo 10th Nov 2013 02:00


Have any of you ever tried to do a "precautionary descent" in Chinese airspace?
Good Luck!
Agreed. Very true.

In similiar circumstances, over China, if you need to act rapidly it's clearly pointless trying to explain to non english speaking controllers. How about this - declare a Mayday, and descend at a normal rate (or do whatever else you need for the situation pertaining - weather avoidance etc).
Maybe this crew did so.
Lots of BS and publicity to follow such action I guess. And Paperwork out the ass for weeks.

Kasompe 10th Nov 2013 04:41

Declare a Mayday. Do what you have to do. Once where you need to be, altitude etc, and everything under control.....downgrade the Mayday?
IMHO of course.:ok:

Pucka 10th Nov 2013 05:58

Kill...cave canes indeed..festina lentae comes to mind too!!

DUSKY DOG 11th Nov 2013 09:20

It is clear to everyone in aeronautical circles, that many crews of this outfit are unqualified and inexperienced to complete the task.Combine this with the poor command of the English Language CAD must act now before disaster strikes.

Killaroo 12th Nov 2013 17:09

What should we do about those non English speaking China controllers?

This Is Asia.

jefkaw320 12th Nov 2013 22:14

English critic, really?
 
Dusky Dog,

You've shown such great skill at punctuating your run-on sentences. I'm a bit surprised that someone with such "command" would feel compelled to criticize others regarding their English.

Are you accusing HKA crews of not having a valid ICAO language certification?


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