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Didacts and Narpets 31st Aug 2013 01:13

Profit sharing
 
Did I miss it or was profit sharing announced for CX/KA employees? After giving themselves raises AND bonuses, you'd figure they would throw us peasants some bread! At least if they are going to screw us yet UGAIN, they would have the common courtesy to tell us.

Now that the Aussie dollar is falling, will more Aussies leave?

Well done CX/KA, keep the exodus going!:D

asianeagle 31st Aug 2013 01:35

Profit share...:rolleyes: dream on:zzz:

How many Aussies have left or will leave...probably none.
Will CX care if they leave, probably not...they're all top end salary scalars, will save the company money. :ok:

China Flyer 31st Aug 2013 02:55

Umm: if the AUD is falling, wouldn't that make it more attractive to stay??

(edited 'cos I can't write.)

buggaluggs 31st Aug 2013 05:35

Not if your retirement nest egg is in USD/Euro etc, and you plan on retiring to Ozz. Cheaper Oz dollar = more Oz dollars per USD.

nitpicker330 31st Aug 2013 06:47

A lot of senior crew are just waiting for the Oz dollar to drop a bit more ( already down from 8 to 7 ) and they will retire. Work it out yourselves, it can make a big difference.........:ok:

I think you'll find that if and when the Oz dollar drops to 6 quite a few HK based chaps with more than 20 years service might just find it too tempting and cash out their chips....:O

SMOC 31st Aug 2013 07:12

5-6yrs ago it dropped to 5ish to the HK dollar and 5-6yrs before that it was 5ish so this could be the year.

You'd be nuts not to cash out of HK if you plan on retiring in the next 5 yrs.

bogie30 31st Aug 2013 08:40

I'm sure there will be another Cargo price fixing fine we don't know about yet so don't expect any breadcrumbs.
What's the point in all this micro fuel management when all is undone with yet another fine.

joebanana 31st Aug 2013 09:24

The cargo price fixing fine could very well be peanuts compared to the French one coming soon!

ron burgandy 31st Aug 2013 23:21

Fuel saving
 
They talk about how saving 17kg of fuel per sector all adds up......
But they stand by when, for instance, the clowns in IOC completely lose the plot such as last years typhoon direct hit. Unnecessary ferrying of aircraft all over the world because there's nothing "integrated" about IOC. It's a bunch of different people making a bunch of different decisions without ever talking to each other.

So as long as they're happy to piss away a few thousand tonnes at least once a year because of IOC's woeful performance, I can't see why we'd all sit on the edge of our seats for 16 hours a few times a month. And then be told we're not worth a pay rise to boot.

777300ER 1st Sep 2013 02:38


They talk about how saving 17kg of fuel per sector all adds up......
But they stand by when, for instance, the clowns in IOC completely lose the plot such as last years typhoon direct hit. Unnecessary ferrying of aircraft all over the world because there's nothing "integrated" about IOC. It's a bunch of different people making a bunch of different decisions without ever talking to each other.

So as long as they're happy to piss away a few thousand tonnes at least once a year because of IOC's woeful performance, I can't see why we'd all sit on the edge of our seats for 16 hours a few times a month. And then be told we're not worth a pay rise to boot.
Sad but very true!

yokebearer 1st Sep 2013 12:04

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geh065 1st Sep 2013 22:55

This isn't the right time of year for a profit share announcement. We do t announce our annual results for several months yet.

geh065 2nd Sep 2013 09:07


I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps he is thinking of the ADB. Once known as the 13th month.
Perhaps...but wrong time of year for that too!

raven11 2nd Sep 2013 09:27

Profit Sharing?!.....hahahah....

004wercras 2nd Sep 2013 13:00

Profiteering
 
Profit share won't happen. Management have wanted to introduce profit share for years, but those who dwell within the Swire Kingdom won't allow CX management to share the spoil. in reality there isn't enough gravy to spread over all the dumplings. This is an integral business tactic promoted originally by Mayer Rothschild, and it makes good business sense. Not everyone gets the gravy.
Also profit sharing at the lower levels of the company doesn't work because frontline workers don't make the really big decisions, management do. Therefore the current system really works quite effectively with management bonus supplements and no profit sharing company wide being the most sound business structure.
Never forget why the big bucks stay at the top level - 'with responsibility comes accountability, and rewards'.

bm330 2nd Sep 2013 19:58

Absolutely right.

The illusion of profit sharing is a carrot to hold in front of office staff. The numbers of days gone by will never happen again. With the multitude of black holes (forward payments, hedging, shell games between divisions), the accountants who run the airline will ensure that the only people who receive anything will be those with 'bonus' in their pay structure.

One week or $6000 is as good as it's going to get. If you're at an entry level position, it looks good. If it's less than what you see in allowances in a month, not so much.

freightdog188 2nd Sep 2013 21:17

I'll just leave this here ...
 
DailyTech - Lenovo CEO Shares Bonus with Workers for a Second Year

MrClaus 3rd Sep 2013 00:39

Personally I don't need the profit share.

I'll be happy with a giant cardboard cutout of a life size cartoonish pilot that says, 'Worlds most bestest pilot in the world'. Then I want to be allowed to do a one man flash mob dance in my full uniform on the street.

At some point I would most probably be arrested.......

asianeagle 3rd Sep 2013 02:28


Never forget why the big bucks stay at the top level - 'with responsibility comes accountability, and rewards'
too true except of the course the "accountability" bit. Not many top management people seem to be held accountable these days.
The fuel hedging amongst other things springs to mind :rolleyes:

Soul planet 3rd Sep 2013 04:34

Claus, the company knows most expats or anyone with a brain wont buy the cartoon cardboard sh*t. Its only to fool those naive locals who believe everything on a superficial facet.


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