So Frog, those flights will just vanish if you don't do them?

Be a big boy. Grow a pair.

Four letters A S R F

Surely they've given you an "O" day in between, to "recover"....??? :zzz:

Yes Underpants, the ASRF gets completed after i reject the duty due to fatigue and stupid rostering.

Do you think any of these patterns will change if we just keep on exposing ourselves and the pax to this unsafe behaviour from Crew rostering?

Trust me. When I make a safety based decision, the last thing I will take into account is the guy on STBY. When he recieves the call out, it is up to him to decide if he is prepared or rested in order to operate the flight.

Frogman

Great how you already know you that you will be "fatigued". If you cannot plan your rest accordingly then I suggest you get another profession! Unfortunately your "social" life has to suffer in preparation for these flights, you do accept the salary after all. This is a 24 hour airline not a 9-5 job.

I'm as p****d as the next guy over stupidity in the way some flights are rostered.

But, I have to agree that the ONLY way you could possibly file an ASRF is if the company don't provide you with an "adequate rest opportunity" between flights.

If they do, you've got nothing. If they don't, they're in breach of the ANRs and I really don't think that's the case.

If you want to protest the pattern without flying it, then the way to go is a CHIRP. Straight to the chairman and the HKCAD.

If you fly it AND you're knackered, ASRF.

FWIW, the one that gets my goat is the way the FTLs solemnly state that "rest periods of between 18 & 30 hours will be avoided"...yet that's all we ever get. WTF?

Uderpants, you know as well as I do, that the company will only change something when they cannot man a flight. Look at the cabin crew and how they get their patterns change.

By now you should also know that what Cx consider legal is sometimes not sensible you make mention to one of these points in your last thread.

If you are rostered a SIN return through the night, followed by a NRT midnight departure the following night into a 12 hour 3sector day which gets you back at midnight sensible, that fine with me. I personally think and know that that second night to Tokyo will cross the line of what I'm prepared to accept, so if I' m not rested enough, I will not do it.

Remember it is your life and license on the line. In an accident crew control does not suffer.

Out of curiosity, what fleet? If 777, then NAM crew should bd doing these anyways.

Unfortunately there not enough US based crew in HKG to do all the various split duties, Colombos and through the night Singapore and Jakarta flights every night even on the 777. HKG crew do end up doing some.

Maybe as the LON based pilots convert, eventually SFO, and hopefully a JFK base someday; this dynamic will change so we have pilots operating on their circadian highs more often than not. I enjoy this job 10x more when I know I won't feel horrible at the end of a flight.