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711 30th May 2012 15:37

CX stops paying anybody on sick leave after 6 months, if I am not mistaken. So why did they terminate him if he doesn't cost anything? :confused:

Cumguzzler 30th May 2012 16:23

[QUOTE][When CX employ ex-US military chaps they are supposed to provide evidence they no longer have any military commitment./QUOTE] asiamiles, not true

Captain Boers 30th May 2012 18:20

Ejection Injuries
 
Modern rocket ejection seats give a peak accelaration rate of some 18g, older ejection seats (cartridge) of 23g which is close to spinal limit.

It is not true that to use an ejection seat means disability or a lifetime of pain. There are enough members of the Martin Baker club in Cx to contradict this assertion.

Mooseflyer 30th May 2012 18:31

CX never fails to disappoint it seems, if this is in fact true.

I'm sure he knows this already, but your buddy needs to contact the folks at ESGR and read up on the USERRA laws. USERRA

A cut and paste:

"USERRA also applies to foreign employers doing business in the United States. A foreign employer that has a physical location or branch in the United States (including U.S. territories and possessions) must comply with USERRA for any of its employees who are employed in the United States".

Cumguzzler 30th May 2012 18:34

I don't know the specific details about his case but I'm guessing he lost his HKCAD medical, that's why CX terminated the employment..

iMad 30th May 2012 20:15

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but is it true the JFK SO is no longer with the company as well??

Cpt. Underpants 30th May 2012 22:12

Yes, apparently he was terminated about two weeks ago.

AnAmusedReader 31st May 2012 05:21

I'm guessing he lost his HKCAD medical
 
I think you're right CG. If the Docs don't think there is a likelihood of return to work within a certain period they look at your medical license. Don't know how long that would be but I know a couple of guys who were off for a couple of years but they were expected to make a full recovery and did so. Perhaps this poor guy isn't expected to recover for a long time.

iMad 31st May 2012 11:43

So this JFK SO was terminated because he was found guilty of a criminal offense in court? or was it just because of the negative press (again)?

flyingsheep 31st May 2012 13:54

think there is a weight limit to which type of ac you have to declare, pretty sure a F-18 is under that weight category.

eatbush-pilot 31st May 2012 14:05

Imad,

The S/O has NOTbeen found guilty as the trial hasn't started yet. CX terminated his contract without a reason.:yuk:
Word on the street is that's the accuser is back at work. Can anyone confirm this?

Dan Winterland 31st May 2012 14:34

''think there is a weight limit to which type of ac you have to declare, pretty sure a F-18 is under that weight category.''

It's 1600kg - and not for commercial flying or aerial work. The F18 doesn't figure on either count.

jonathon68 31st May 2012 14:37

They don't normally bother to terminate people who are on sick leave.

After 3 months full pay and then 3 months half pay, you go on to zero pay. With no pay you even have to pay up-front for staff tickets. So the only cost to CX when you are in Medical Limbo, are your medical fees. I would assume that this Pilot is having his medical care covered by the USN/USMC Reserves etc. So there would be no real cost to CX.

However if they terminate him, they would have to cough up 3 months pay and also the full PFund.

The usual situation is that a Pilot, without Insurance and on zero pay, gets starved out and eventually resigns to get hold of his PFund.

Flying in your spare time is a grey area for Employees. You are not allowed to work for anyone other than CX, and this could be seen as a case of "working and being paid' as a Reserve Officer. All flying hours count against the maximum 900 hours per year permitted under the HK ANO, and therefore you need the permission of the DFO.

I would imagine that if this Pilot had been flying for another Employer in his spare time, and not declaring these flying hours (with regard to his monthly/annual limits), then there could be grounds for a D&G.

iMad 31st May 2012 14:53

eatbush, I could've phrased it better, but that's exactly what I figured....CX has once again terminated someone purely because of some bad press, when he could've done nothing wrong?

(I'm not pretending I know the facts to this case) but the next time if one of us rubs a cabin crew the wrong way, all it takes for her is to catch you in a dark alley and shout rape, end up in some sensationalist paper and you'll lose your job?! That certainly wasn't the case with the Mumbai incident....Does someone here have anymore facts? Shouldn't we be more concerned about this? It seems to have just been kept under the radar....

cxorcist 31st May 2012 17:12

I know a pilot who had two ACES II ejections and returned to flying fighters both times. I realize the Hornet has a different seat, but his injuries must have been quite severe if it was deemed he would never hold a HKCAD medical again.

I absolutely feel that the full extent of the USERRA laws should be explored and if possible a lawsuit filed. Regardless the outcome, a shameful termination from a shameless group of managers.

Iron Skillet 1st Jun 2012 03:37

It might have nothing to do with the ejection, but rather the landing afterward.

Then again, worse injuries occur in skiers, motorcyclists, automobile drivers, house painters, tree climbers, scuba divers, people standing around waiting for the bus when the drunk driver plows into them, etc....

etrang 1st Jun 2012 10:10


The S/O has NOTbeen found guilty as the trial hasn't started yet. CX terminated his contract without a reason.
Clearly they did have a reason. Perhaps you meant "without (good) cause".

LongTimeInCX 1st Jun 2012 11:07


Word on the street is that's the accuser is back at work. Can anyone confirm this?
According to a cabin crew friend >Correct!

flyhardmo 1st Jun 2012 11:42

She is back at work and he gets fired without "good cause". The precedent is set and from now every cabin crew member can throw out an accusation in the US, the cockpit crew gets arrested/terminated and the cabin crew go on with their lives without any problem. What has the AOA done about this.


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