I think it is the attempt of a certain individual to make a name for himself.

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.



Maybe it's time we speak out?
Or they quietly will shut down base after base?

... then they came for WestCoastCaptain and his bunch of self interested backsliders, who cried "Where's the AOA when we need it... oops" :E

Mr Kitsune,

Another cutting remark that adds nothing to the real debate. So expected, and so boring.
Sadly, many are asking just what you suggest; where is the AOA in all of this? The based pilots certainly are, with many again left wondering the benefits of AOA membership. At least see if there are any potential legal avenues available.

You are quick to berate the Canadians for taking a stand. May I suggest that in a few months the clarion call may be to be more like the Canadians. I think you Brits call it our finest hour.

WCC

To compare a bunch of self serving, self interested, based Canadians who care only about themselves, and not the greater good of the Cathay pilot group, to a group of heroes who helped save their nation from the nazi scourge ('their finest hour') really does show how ridiculously self serving you and your group of splitters are.

Ironically, led by a Brit....

Ironically, led by a Brit....

Actually, it's led by a Canadian.

At the beginning of all this he said this - he said that, I was concerned and a little confused at how things could have degraded to the point that the AOAC would be locked out. A little reading on this forum of members who continuously post dismissives and sweeping judgements based on little if any actual facts makes me wonder how the AOAC execs lasted as long as they did.

Self declared experts in Labour law and international contract negotiations post edicts like they're talking to an eight year old child instead of a professional peer.

CX management doesn't have anything to worry about when it comes to negotiating with the AOA. They'll get whatever they want, whenever they want it.

them MothaF......
 

Maybe it's just me. But before we get in to too much technicality.

Isn't it odd this just happenned to be announced on Father's day weekend. I mean we're talking perfect morale breaker tactics here.Just Cx trying to show that when we want we can break you and your families lives.

Don't know when my turn is but I wish all the CDG based guys and their families all the best in this difficult period.

ps Anybody knows what really was in this letter as far as reasons and details of closure?

Go onto the AOA forum to see what the AOA has to say thus far.

How about giving the volunteers, working during their free time between flights, a few days to sort out the massive mess and provide some researched, reliable, valuable information instead of complaining irrationally 10 seconds after the news broke?

Don't mean to be cynical.... oh yes I do, but did anyone else notice that onFriday the main doors were closed and we were offered the trades mens entranceinto despatch. There was no wx related reason for it, which is the usual case.

Management 101 again?

This was around 22:00HKG

Apparently the doors are maintained and managed by the same team that did the roll-out of iJourney.

I share your cynicism but I think the 'Freehills Door' was in use this time because of squally showers.

a group of heroes who helped save their nation from the nazi scourge
 

Yes but don't forget all the Canadians (and others) who helped as well to achieve your "finest hour"; or is your knowledge of history as lacking as your knowledge of the HKAOA power grab to the cost of AOC (and AOAA if only they knew)?

What the hell? This thread went from producing some well thought out posts to verbal diarrhea within the blink of an eye.

Mr S...h...I...t... I suggest you review your history just as many of our colleagues have implied.

Paris is burning and there is a growing call for the HKAOA to at least do something. Many of our colleagues in PAR are facing some difficult decisions, yet many on the committee would rather berate the Canadians for taking a leadership stand and making a decision. What better way to take the emphasis off the difficult problems.

As the facts slowly emerge, and they will, many will find that AOA Canada contributed more in funds than they took. And, many will realize that the decision to go it alone was the best one.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Westcoast. Puerile swearing just denigrates yourself and any credibility you may have had.

Ranting on about the Canadian AOA split should go on another thread. Ask why they closed the base, why they have never made an announcement that could be used against them in court (a French one?) and review what has been said about the Easy Jet case.

This is at the heart of why they closed the Paris base.

Ask why they closed the base,
 

MrClaus and others are quite right on why the PAR base has closed. Tax, social security and other potential legal problems. The only surprise here is that people are surprised about the decision. It was inevitable and, if they are honest, those on the PAR base knew they were next after AMS.

Basings have always been liable for this since they began. The arrogant Swire attitude of we are Swires, in HKG and we can do what we like so Veta is set up as a HKG company 'outside' the laws of all countries and was always doomed to get caught. CX have still saved millions despite having to pay millions to avoid tax and social security evasion charges.

The only 'safe' bases are those on shored, Oz, NZ, Canada and the UK.

OZ, NZ, Canada and UK are least safe,because HKIRD are rightly saying that if you work for CX you are automatically HK based even if you are working from an outport. The OECD documents relating to aviation and shipping confirm the validity of the IRD position.

North America has already ruled, in the 49er judgement, that CX crews operating from North America are working for a HK company and are subject to HK employment law.

If Germany goes for social security under a recent EU ruling, FRA will be the next base to close. FRA crews are notionally employed in the UK, (but not really. Only in the imagination of CX basings office), but they start work in Germany and social security is to be paid in the place where your roster normally starts.

OZ, NZ and Canada will wither on the vine for now.

The previous GMA, now in Canada, who is responsible for the basings debacle, has demonstrated a level of incompetence that would get a pilot sacked.

So all bases eventually close except for the US, where only US citizens or those with a work visa can be employed. Oh Joy!

That will make Americans even more popular in CX. I can't wait for my next line check with an angry Euro, Ozzie, or Canuck whose base was closed forcing him back to Hong Kong. That'll be fun! NOT. Better brush up on my futbol, rugby, and hockey lingo...

Not quite true. HK tax is based on the source of the income, irrespective of domicile, residency, etc. Although basees are paid in a foreign country, HKIRD has rightly determined that the income is sourced from HK, and is therefore taxable in HK.

That said, the taxable income is reduced according to the number of days spent in the foreign jurisdiction (eg. Australia), provided tax has been paid in that jurisdiction.

Isn't the tax pro-rated on the days spent in the other tax jurisdiction rather than days in HK? It was for me last year.