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indians = Herd mentality
today you hire 10 , next year there will be 100 , by the time you old fellas know it - the best and brightest of the indian skies will be hopping puddles in a cx jet and and the skies of hong kong will smell of curry fart. :}
but hey .. still safety is our number 1 priority ... so we at qantas believe .. racism and appalling customer service is the way forward. :} |
Spitfire88
This comming from a Australian whos working for a HK airline?? This has happened because of little or insignificant opposition from the unions and because of market conditions. Do you know what the market conditions are that you speak of? CX have manipulated market forces by dramatically lowering the experience levels required to apply. They have deliberately compromised safety for the almighty dollar and people like you are accomplices to this degradation in safety levels. First they offered this pathetic deal to starry eyed wannabes from the UK, Aus, NZ, Can and the US. When it became obvious that there weren’t enough suitable suckers in these countries they are now praying on the suckers in India. Thank god all the successful applicants in Pakistan saw this package for what it really is, indentured slave labour and turned it down. :ugh::yuk: |
First they offered this pathetic deal to starry eyed wannabes from the UK, Aus, NZ, Can and the US. if yes (chuckles). If not, why are you still working with CX? like smurf84 mentioned, why don't you have the gall to walk out <assuming you are working with CX> when you're not able to help yourself. we are not here to make things easier for you by not taking up this offer. |
Back in Karachi
It looks like CX managers are in Pakistan this week...
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and the skies of hong kong will smell of curry fart. :) |
robin.pereira
are you one of them? If not, why are you still working with CX? like smurf84 mentioned, why don't you have the gall to walk out <assuming you are working with CX> when you're not able to help yourself. we are not here to make things easier for you by not taking up this offer. What your comments and others of your like are really alluding to is that you want us to do all the work and take all the risk so you can have a job here. |
You really are dopy idiot aren’t you? okay so what do you suggest we do? i can only imagine if CX would place the offer letter right in front of me - and I say " hang on, I'm turning this down, since there aren't any jobs in India for low-timers and also because i'm not happy with the T&Cs, and so are the pilots currently in CX who aren't happy with the current T&Cs either and i want to sgo back home, watch Tv all day, warm up my couch"?????? boom! there goes my job in thin air. maybe i'll be doing you a favour. but what do i lose - an airline job i've been waiting for the past 1-2 years. I suggest you do some research into Hong Kong labour laws before you make such an uninformed comment about current CX pilots. So you are under no misconception or confusion, for any CX pilot to just walk as you have suggested, would be a breach of contract and leave them open to law suites. |
Robin,
Pure AWESOMENESS!!! You are the FUTURE!!!! ........... box (snoring) |
@Robin
you should be asking yourself whether you're one. you people keep mentioning the same thing again and again. but what do i lose - an airline job i've been waiting for the past 1-2 years. you are totally helpless, running out of options and trying to pull us into your blame game and telling us what to do and what not to do. The only reason CX is interviewing in India is because they are desperate!! It's as simple as that. := |
As previously posted by myself, the argument is not about your nationality, it's about your experience. All this stuff about giving Indian pilots a hard time is just smoke & mirrors.
The reality is that in terms of experience, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Here's a few gems to prove my point: First they offered this pathetic deal to starry eyed wannabes from the UK, Aus, NZ, Can and the US an airline job i've been waiting for the past 1-2 years They havent called any1 from India with less than 250 hrs So stop this "you're an ignorant bunch of Indian bashers" rubbish. It's not about your nationality, it's about your experience (or lack thereof) |
The fundamental problem
Also u forget cx is a business, If u cant get similar skilled or better for a cheaper amount, theyd be stupid not to. We would love better terms, but if not and manageable we'll settle. Once again this is aimed at anyone stupid enough to accept these conditions |
this has become quite a senseless argument ..
all the senior pilots posting.. you guys had better t&c because u earned it! im sure all of u joined with more than 250hrs. therefore better terms. todays recruitment is for 250-1500hrs. you think a fresher at 250 hrs has options? that too in india? people have been waiting for 3-4yrs for a job. and cx is capitalizing on that. what ever bull**** offer they hand out.. guys have no choice. its no longer about terms and conditions.. its about flying! its about surviving. im sure no cadet with 200hrs offered a job with cx will even worry about the terms. all he/she sees is a break! an opportunity to start their career; with a good airline, flying wide body jets! sounds like a pretty good deal to me! maybe like you all said later on it might not seem as good. but then again... at that time there were no other options. its take whats offered. or do nothing. |
Ooooooh, love all this. And to think, good mate of mine , FAILED to get into Cx way back in 1978, because they thought he was an I N D I A N !!!
.........................er, and the same guy, told a really black looking Massai Warior type that he would not get into CX...ER, beacause he was..BLACK, and the Massai failed the initial interview............... Luv it." On behalf of Captain Ranjit Banjit& the crew!"..........................Turn in your grave Laurie !!.................It IS going to happen ! & the |
flying wide body jets! sounds like a pretty good deal to me
you get more action flying flight simulator at home on your PC than being a SO...YOU ARE NOT A PILOT....:ugh: But really...who promised you guys a job when you signed up to become a pilot...you guys are starting to sound like it's owed to you...:= |
slowjet
You are the twisted racist. Leave the race card at home. There are many people of color in Cathay already, you're not breaking any mould. They didn't come with the baggage you clearly have. Oh, AND I suspect they're a lot more capable than you'll ever be. |
Spitfire88
Let me put it in simpler terms so your winnie little pea brain can understand. You think you’re hard done by because you can’t get a job in India with 250 hours where there are allegedly 6000 unemployed pilots. India isn’t alone here my friend. Europe reportedly has about 8000 unemployed pilots and the USA 20000+. It would be very interesting to see India open its aviation labour market for any foreign pilot with ≥250 hours. That would put the cat amongst the pigeons with you bunch of spoilt Indian brats who thinks the world owes them a living. My guess is you’re probably from a well off middle to upper class Indian family, your parents sent you to Australia, New Zealand or the USA and paid for your flying training. You probably haven’t worked a real job in your life and like your buddy robin.pereira, who claims that he sits on the couch watching TV all day if he can’t fly, my guess is you do the same. You probably still live at home with mummy and daddy. It is clear from your posts though that you have a severely inflated opinion of your own self importance. Get over yourself buddy. The world owes you nothing and if you were stupid enough to be fooled by the Indian Aviation bubble over the last 5-10 years, that is your fault. If, god forbid you actually make it to CX and you come here with the attitude you have, i.e. self importance and racial intolerance, you’re in for a very rude shock. |
Very well said 404. It has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with experience. There has been a consistent decline in experience levels entering this airline for many, many years. I can include myself in that equation, as I'm sure I had less experience that some of my predecessors. The thing is, there needs to be a minimum level of experience in order to do this job safely, and efficiently. I am a big believer in experience. I think it is what you draw on when things turn pear-shaped. I don't believe we are enhancing our safety culture if ALL of our current recruits are of the same experience levels that are being described in this thread. Eventually all of the holes in the swiss cheese will line up, and then what is the inexperienced crew going to rely on? Simply my opinion, but one I believe is shared by many of my colleagues, as well as the flying public, I would imagine.
box |
Pear-shaped?
boxjockey:
I am a big believer in experience. I think it is what you draw on when things turn pear-shaped. |
From CEO himself
Flight Ops, meanwhile, has been sounding out potential pilot recruits in India and Pakistan and will launch recruitment ads soon in countries such as Singapore and Malaysia.
:eek: CX have finally reached a dead-end! I hope those that those whom actually carry out the interviews have there heads on straight! A Bowl of "juicy ripe fruit" is easily spoilt by one bad apple! I know that's exactly the point of the guys at the top " I.e Changing the culture of the work force yet again" But Recruiters & then T&C etc that are pilots - Should be proud to filter out the bad ones please, otherwise we're heading slowly downhill with gathering speed! :ugh: |
Oval,
Please tell me who THEY are? And yes, I am a transplant. :eek: box |
you will be pleased to hear that all the line pilots that were involved in recruitment have been replaced by managment and ground interviewers apparently the pilots were demanding too high a standard.
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At least we won't have to go to Nathan Rd to find a fake Rolex watch or a cheap suit.
Maybe the new recruits will also know where to get a good curry. I hate getting harassed when going into Chungking mansion. |
@ Flying kiwi
Oh - dear no I did not realize.
whats next STC have there hands tied by management and they cannot fail their line check or an PC either! :\ |
I think I'm going to be sick! Must have had a bad curry. Off to throw up... ("if at all required")
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So how do you Indians feel knowing CX went to Pakistan first!!
Doh:D |
shivamjoshi
Firstly there are close to 30000 unemployed pilots in Europe and the US combined. Secondly 250 hours isn’t experienced. It is, to put it bluntly extremely inexperienced. Indian applicants may be desperate, but desperation won’t get you the job here sunshine, even with management pilots doing the interviews. CX never has spent limitless amounts on wages. They have always been as tight as a fishes ar*e. Now they are compromising safety to be even tighter. As for the rest of your dribble, if you can list for me, a generic airlines total operating costs and break it down in percentage order, then I will have a discussion regarding why some airlines operate on wafer thin margins. Anyway your whole post is a bit rich for someone who aspires to become an expat pilot but hates expat pilots in India. As limited as your previous posts are you are clearly a racist idiot. If you come here with that attitude sunshine, I can assure you , you will be ripped a new ar*ehole.:yuk: Recently i went to get my class 1 med done and i was shocked to count 19 people besides me who had come for the same purpose as i had. I was expecting people to abandon their CPL plans in a big way. But i am disappointed. Lets hope the government acts tough and throws out expats. |
Why India is not a superpower Amrit Dhillon March 15, 2012 http://images.smh.com.au/2012/03/14/...lums-420x0.jpg 'It hurts the pride of Indians to be reminded of the country's poverty. But the existence of poverty itself does not hurt their pride.' Rich Indians have forgotten the country cannot meet the basic needs of poor people. Rich Indians hallucinating about India becoming a superpower have had delivered a much-needed thump on the head courtesy of a study by the London School of Economics, which found that it's doubtful if the country can ever become a superpower. The whole notion that India is an ''emerging superpower'' has always been ridiculous and whoever first mooted the idea - Bill Clinton or George Bush - during the excess of goodwill that invariably accompanies a state visit, should have been bundled off to a laboratory to have his brain dissected to locate the precise site of the raving lunacy. Even more preposterous has been the uncritical alacrity with which rich Indians embraced the notion when all they have to do is drive a few kilometres outside the big cities to rural India for a flashback to the 18th century or, even closer to home, to a nearby slum to see disease, hunger and misery that beggars belief. The LSE study by nine India experts concludes that, despite ''impressive'' achievements, India is unlikely to become a superpower for many reasons including "the increasing gap between the rich and the poor; the trivialisation of the media; the unsustainability, in an environmental sense, of present patterns of resource consumption; the instability and policy incoherence caused by multi-party coalition governments''. The study adds: "India still faces major developmental challenges. The still-entrenched divisions of caste structure are being compounded by the emergence of new inequalities of wealth stemming from India's economic success.'' These inequalities take your breath away. While the rich consume luxury goods and the middle class buys fancy cars and gadgets and holidays in Bangkok, they blind themselves to the reality for 700 million or so immiserated Indians. In their vainglorious dinner-table talk about ''superpower'' status, they forget that a country that cannot meet a poor person's most basic needs - enough food, clean drinking water, and electricity - has no business aspiring to superpower status. One has always heard that Indians have traditionally lacked a certain respect for the facts but this wilful disregard of reality is disturbing. Affluent Indians have bought the superpower fantasy not just because of a contempt for the facts, but from pride and vanity and a tendency to get all puffed up the moment the country manages any achievement. So an obscure international award for some Indian film, a bronze medal in a sport that no one watches, an Indian company's takeover of a foreign company, or an Indian kid topping a maths exam in the US, are all trumpeted as evidence that India has conquered the world. This is the reality: about 400 million Indians have no electricity; India has more mobile phones than toilets; millions of children are not in school; most cities have no sewage treatment systems; no major city has a continuous water supply; disease is rampant; infrastructure is pitiful; and a UNICEF report released this month says there is acute malnutrition and hunger among the urban poor, with 54 per cent more infants dying from among the urban poor than from the urban non-poor. Another UNICEF report found that 93 million Indians live in urban slums, on pavements and construction sites. Yet should anyone plead that the poor have been left behind they will be subject to heated criticism. It hurts the pride of Indians to be reminded of the country's poverty. But the existence of poverty itself does not hurt their pride. Economic growth rates of about 8-9 per cent over the past few years have been justifiably praiseworthy. But the benefits of this growth have been confined to the middle class and the rich. The poor still do not have homes, basic sanitation, decent schools or nutritious food. As a young girl in American author Katherine Boo's much-acclaimed new book Behind the Beautiful Forevers, about life in a Mumbai slum, says: "We try so many things but the world doesn't move in our favour." Middle-class Indians need to read Boo's book about life in a rat-infested hovel, near a sewage lake, with rampant dengue fever, malaria and tuberculosis, with scraps for meals, a single toilet for 100 families and then try claiming that India is becoming a superpower. There are many criteria for defining a superpower, but for India an extra one should be added. Let no one utter the world ''superpower'' till every Indian family has a toilet in their home. Amrit Dhillon is a freelance journalist based in New Delhi. Whilst the article itself is a little off the topic it clearly points out the attitude of some our Indian iCadet applicants who come from a rather well off background. Shivamjoshi is described perfectly by the author, one of his own countrymen. "One has always heard that Indians have traditionally lacked a certain respect for the facts but this wilful disregard of reality is disturbing. Affluent Indians have bought the superpower fantasy not just because of a contempt for the facts, but from pride and vanity and a tendency to get all puffed up the moment the country manages any achievement." |
Lack of experience can be overcome by high IQ and hard work. All these so called experts that had only flown small planes before going to Cathay just got lucky that they had the necessary hours to apply at the time. Now that all can apply there will be a larger pool to choose from and they can get candidates with higher IQ which is most important.
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I hate to break it to you, although as you both have such high IQ's I am surprised you don't know this, a high IQ is not the most important thing. Experience is number one when it comes to being a safe pilot.
Lack of experience can be overcome by high IQ and hard work. All these so called experts that had only flown small planes before going to Cathay |
Anyone with a high IQ wouldn't consider this offer.
Where as those that think they have a high IQ...... |
It should be considered that possibly the company is looking to increase the general IQ level amongst the pilot group by hiring more Indian educated pilots. Do not be too surprised if we are able to bring many more fresh new ideas to to the cockpit!
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So let me get this straight......
You wannabe muppets are proud that Indians will work for less than everyone else and because CX is offering less, that it's a perfectly justifiable proposition? Unbelievable!! Gents, we are all farked in the expat world. BTW, All you wannabe's talk about how a high IQ is a requirement to be an able pilot. Actually it's common sense and the two don't necessarily go hand in hand; I've come across some extremely intelligent individuals, who thought because they were book smart, they would make able pilots. They weren't. |
@ Primed
Lack of experience can be overcome by high IQ and hard work. All these so called experts that had only flown small planes before going to Cathay just got lucky that they had the necessary hours to apply at the time. Now that all can apply there will be a larger pool to choose from and they can get candidates with higher IQ which is most important. Yet again... this is someone from CX recruitment or management :ugh: A total windup!! := @shivamjoshi First of all, my apologies for that hateful comment that i had posted on another forum. It is hard to hold back when people attack your country. I was unable to ignore the provocations on that forum. |
3rd floor and sloppy Joe,
Surely you will want to defend your position and pride however you must learn to look truth in the eye! |
It is well known that flying the big airliners is all about flying the numbers as they say. Coming from a population where mathematics is a strength is no coincidence!
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It is well known that flying the big airliners is all about flying the numbers as they say Exactly what are you going to do when you have to think on your feet because the numbers don't fit a particular situation? This like listening to Gen Y'ers on steroids, who've overdosed on SJS! |
Kenny,
Please do not be insulted by my comments. To answer your question however, high IQ and strength in mathematics show that person could indeed think on their feet. The ability to fly the numbers well should preclude getting into that situation in the first place LOL!! |
@ primed
Funny, when I taught Math in India, the pass mark was 30% :}
Surely you jokers are not serious about your points about IQs. Surely you are not that stupid |
To answer your question however, high IQ and strength in mathematics show that person could indeed think on their feet. The ability to fly the numbers well should preclude getting into that situation in the first place LOL!! What I can't work out is if this comes from an overwhelming sense of arrogance, immaturity, naivety or just plain stupidity........ |
Sarge,
Why not go and work for Quantas air? |
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