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tipsy.skipsy 17th Apr 2012 22:27

Sleepy Air Canada pilot dives plane; 16 injured


Toronto: A sleepy Air Canada pilot who mistakenly believed his jet was about to crash into a U.S. military plane forced a sudden dive that caused 16 injuries among passengers and crew on a transatlantic flight, a report says.

The Transportation Safety Board report released on Monday describes the 46 seconds in which the plane dived and lurched back up during an overnight Air Canada flight from Toronto to Zurich in January 2011. Those hurt weren't wearing seatbelts, the report said.

According to the report, the plane's first officer was napping during a rest period aimed at combating pilot fatigue when the captain's report on their position woke him.

At the same time, a U.S. Air Force plane was approaching about 300 yards (meters) below. That set off cockpit alerts, which the captain mentioned to the first officer.

The "confused and disoriented" co-pilot at first mistook the planet Venus for the approaching plane, the report said. When he did spot it, he thought it was coming straight at them. He overrode the auto-pilot by forcefully pressing on the control column, pushing the jet into a dive.

Fourteen passengers and two flight attendants among the mostly 103 sleeping people aboard slammed into parts of the plane, getting cuts and bruises.

The captain regained control as the U.S. military plane passed safely and returned the plane to its cruising altitude.

"This occurrence underscores the challenge of managing fatigue on the flight deck," Jon Lee, the investigator in charge, said in a statement.

Seven of the injured were treated in the hospital on arrival in Zurich three hours later. The investigation found that the first officer, who had been asleep for about 75 minutes, was suffering "sleep inertia" magnified by fatigue.

The report said flight crews were not following standard procedures for "strategic napping," which is normally of 40 minutes duration. Pilots are supposed to have 15 minutes after a nap to awaken properly before taking control, according to safety protocols.

Capt. Paul Strachan, President of the Air Canada Pilots Association, said the incident shows Canada needs to mandate a third pilot for eastbound transatlantic flights instead of the inflight rest periods.

"Canada's regulations are stark in their insensitivity to the science of fatigue," Strachan said.
Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said the company had already taken steps to address the fatigue issues. Pilots who feel they are too tired to fly have to report it, and a non-punitive system allows them to withdraw from assignments.

Sand Man 18th Apr 2012 00:27

tipsy.skipsy
What does this have to do with recruiting grounds?
Does raise some points to think about wrt controlled rest however.

freightdog188 19th Apr 2012 01:30

you want something connected to recruiting grounds?
 
how about this:

Incident: Firefly AT72 at Koh Samui on Mar 17th 2012, high powered communication exchange in cockpit, spiral dive in initial climb

Captain Dart 20th Apr 2012 21:47

Just happened: dreadful airline crash in one of CX's 'non-traditional' recruiting areas:

BBC News - Pakistan plane crashes near Islamabad airport

broadband circuit 21st Apr 2012 05:13

Please stop right there.
 

Just happened: dreadful airline crash in one of CX's 'non-traditional' recruiting areas:
Rule no. 1 of air crashes: Don't speculate - wait for the investigation board to determine the facts.


Speculation & rumour do nothing positive, and often damage the reputation of a genuinely blameless individual or group.

lemondog 21st Apr 2012 06:20

Skillett give it a rest
 
Skillett, for crying out loud this is a forum about recruiting not a thread to Hijack for your "atheistic evangelism" or to make out that people are some how unintelligent because they don't have the same worldview as you. You can disagree with people without becoming polemic in your discussion. I may not agree on my muslim friends worldview but Im not going to criticise him for trying to live his faith and I'm still going defend his right to live that way should he choose. Try to stick to the topic and give Hitchens,Dawkins and co a rest- they are not new idea's. Have a good day!
Lemon.

Gigaboomer 21st Apr 2012 07:58

Evidence based reasoning eh Skillet? Would that be like believing in matter and energy making themselves in the beginning despite the law of causality? Or of non living chemicals forming life by themselves despite the observed (ie evidence based) laws of chemistry? Or maybe the idea that random mutations can create massive, multi levelled information systems despite the observations of population geneticists?

Seriously Skillet, your religion stops you seeing the wood for the trees. Apologies to all who don't want to see this thread hijacked by anther religious debate but I couldn't let Skillet's rubbish go.

ASH1111 21st Apr 2012 08:28

Kudos to recognizing that it is in fact a religion. ( i.e. a structured set of beliefs ). It is often framed as "science versus religion". This is a misnomer. Science by definition is observable and repeatable their theories are neither.

2 Peter 3:5:ok:

If you want extreme in depth science on the matter, and have the guts, enjoy...

Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics

if you spend at least 3 hours on this site, and still have questions, come on back.

jetset 21st Apr 2012 10:33

Thanks ASH

So the atheists are wrong. You have a website to prove it?

Good enough for me I'm off to church :}

Hallelujah, praisethelord.com.nowibelieve.hk.org

ASH1111 21st Apr 2012 11:07

Naughty naughty jetset, now go do your homework!:)

AnswersinGenesis.com

Iron Skillet 21st Apr 2012 12:11

Sounds like a few confused fanatics need to start by reading the dictionary, now inventing their own junk English to push phony junk science about how real science is wrong...and apparently so is evidence-based reasoning. Ah, those crazy religious ramblings. Funny!

You don't have to wonder what flying with delusional people from less traditional recruitment locations with less familiar phony beliefs will be like: Wild and weird delusion is already all around us.

ASH1111 22nd Apr 2012 01:53

Careful Iron! If you keep attracting enough Christians that are praying for you, you may get saved! I have seen harder core than you my friend. Before Paul went on to pen the lions share of the New Testament, he was in charge of persecuting and killing Christians!

God loves the hard cases! :ok:

Sqwak7700 22nd Apr 2012 07:25


Naughty naughty jetset, now go do your homework!

AnswersinGenesis.com
That is as stupid as saying that wrestling is for real! I swear man, just go to

WWE.com: The Official Site of the WWE Universe

See, I told you. Real.

Grow up boys. You are adults now, time to stop believing in fairy tales. Santa isn't real, and the tooth fairy was really just your Mom.

Honestly, I can't believe it needs saying :ugh:

PanZa-Lead 23rd Apr 2012 02:36

New Recruit
 
Was in Adelaide at the CX flying school and saw a cadet with half his head shaved and the other half had long dread-locks (sp). He was in uniform and look terrible. He was there for flight grading. This is the new generation of pilots we attract.

Sand Man 23rd Apr 2012 03:31

Which half was shaved? Maybe he had to shave half his head so that he could wear his hat:}

GANKER 23rd Apr 2012 04:04

Either that or they had to shave that half to give him a lobotomy so he would join on the current conditions, surgery was probably cheaper!


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