World's top 10 safest airlines named
 

Oh, dear. Which airline didn't make the top ten? What a surprise!!


World's top 10 safest airlines named | Air Transport Rating Agency



If this is how well CX does when it puts safety first, imagine what would happen if it put anything else first!

(edited for sarcky comment)

The fact that Air France is at the top makes an immediate mockery of the entire study.

Is this the same list that has Air France rated as most safe?
I think there is some credibility issues here.

Airlines were listed in alphabetical order.

However, in the article there's this little gem:

Maybe a hint as to why CX is not on the list.

Since 2000, Air France have totally lost 3 aircraft, two of them resulting in no survivors. Two of them also mainly down to pilot error.

I don't care what this list takes into account it is obviously a waste of time. If it was about safety culture at an airline then possibly, but to say safest airlines http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif

A little while ago Air France lost two in two days- and almost lost a third a week later with the investigating crew flying down to Bahrain.

Can't recall the cause- Shamal and black hole approach into Bahrain I think.

I find it hard to believe people in the industry would give this 'survey' much credence.

From the link to their website:
ATRA HOLISTIC SAFETY RATING - Official website of the Air Transport Rating Agency - Geneva
it shows they have selected certain 'organizational criteria' as per the following quote:


"After analyzing the causes of a number of incidents and accidents, ATRA has selected 15 organizational criteria, which directly or indirectly contribute to general safety. Illegal activities have not been taken into account as it has been assumed that security check persons and luggage is under the responsibility of airport services.
The 15 selected criteria are:

• Net financial result
• Total number of passengers
• Total number of employees
• Total number of cabin crew employees
• Total number of aircrafts
• Average fleet age in service
• Percentage of aircrafts on order
• Fleet homogeneity
• Number of aircrafts no longer in production
• Number of aircrafts considered at risk
• Total aircrafts-km flown
• In house maintenance capability
• Number of accidents during the last 10 years
• Dedicated flight academy pilot-training facilities
• Dedicated full flight simulators"

Call me a purist, but I would have thought an absence of smoking holes in the ground and body parts were more likely to indicate safe(or lucky) airlines.
Clearly to have AirFance-KLM mentioned in the top 10, shows exactly where this survey should be filed.

Safest Airlines
 

What the!
Try BA slamming one into Heathrow. How about Delta- they bingle A/C just taxying on the ground! What about that other US airline that rolled off the end of the runway and Air france crunched one over the Atlantic!
MMMMMM- makes you wonder! Who did their analysis- Texas U maybe?
It's a load of bollocks!

No, it's statistics!

From the ATRA website:

Mathematical multi-criteria analyses have been selected by ATRA for the following reasons:

- management of both quantitative and qualitative variables

- no arbitrary weighting system

- transparency

- meaningfulness of results

- reproducibility and objectivity

Seems they can quantify their results from mathematical formula. I love the bit about reproducibility (whatever that means) and objectivity. I would say to them a quick look at how many aircraft these airlines have crashed in recent years is still an objective statistic! And they only looked at 100 airlines of which 44 had enough data to produce the survey!

The fact they've named Air France in the top ten demonstrates this report had absolutely no credibility.

To be pedantic!
 

Read the survey, they are not talking about Air France, it is Air France-KLM mentioned here. The Air France that had the crashes has ceased to exist.

Actually the AF A330 crash occured under the watch of KLM-Air France didn't it?

What a load of KAK!

Try two pilots placed in an almost impossible situation by a unique technical failure and succeeding in landing the aircraft with no loss of pax or crew.

"After analyzing the causes of a number of incidents and accidents, ATRA has selected 15 organizational criteria...blah, blah, blah"

What a laugh.....BS obviously does baffle brains.

Those same "aviation experts" who would place Air France on a list of top ten airlines, are like so many of the other "non pilot", psychobabble, desk-jockey, types who seem to have proliferated in aviation in the past 20 years.

More and more, it seems these days, useless opinions are being sought from psuedo experts in aviation instead of from the real experts at the pointy end of an airplane.

If you want a valid opinion on matters of aviation....ask a real pilot.

What a joke.

Basil
 

Surely the sum of all parts not just pieces plucked from wherever, don't yo u think? The BA crew did a great job but some things matter and that's what it all gets judged on.

Surely pure luck can't be expected to be one of the criteria assessed. We've had a few incidents which were very close calls and not major accidents due only to pure luck. Maybe they considered those in their ranking process?! The organizational culture of 'safety first' would in these cases dictate major and drastic steps put in place to prevent reoccurring as if they were major accidents, or the regulating authority would force them to. That simply is not what has happened after such events here. Anyone with half a brain would consider the organization's culture in such assessments. We're still up to our waists in old & worthless call-outs and procedures from 20+ years ago. Maybe they considered that. No doubt things are getting better but very slowly.

About as credible as the Skytrax awards and all those awards Tony Taylor's Hong Kong mates bestowed upon him.

Now I realise why our Ozzie airlines are not included in the top 10:
Wikileaks reveals US fears about Australian airlines' safety

Quote:
The US was so concerned about the state of Australia's air safety system in 2009 that it considered downgrading Australian airlines flying to the US.
What do you expect with a person like the Scraeming Skull in charge of CASA