RE: above post about revenge

I feel truly sad that i have been reduced to working in an environment where many feel so negative about management that they take a certain pride in stooping morally down to their level and perversely now take pride in it. But the above poster is correct - many will make cx pay in some form or another....

Oh you better believe those current S/O's/future captains will LOVE flying around lower and bumping the power levers up!!:E

A good proportion of these SO's will not even be here in the future as many continue to leave this place.
This whole BPP case has just been another nail in the coffin of what was once a career.

Your contract has been and will continue to be a worthless piece of paper. I don't know why we even bother to sign it.

All I can say is it is only going to get much worse as they fatten the pig in order to ready it for sale to Air China. Then we can really look forward to one party rule.:eek:

Two guys sadly died of cancer recently, gentlemen both. The wrong people were taken.:(

Yes Wraith, and both were consummate professionals who would not accommodate the unprofessional conduct endorsed by cries of revenge on this website.

I didn't say anything about revenge, Fire Wall. I'm simply pointing out that the good guys get taken away too soon and the lowest form of human life that make up our present management seem to live forever. It just doesn't seem fair.:=

I agree Wraith. Taking the moral highground with basically immoral managers results in us getting taken to the cleaners on a regular basis. To much of our contracts rely on their "goodwill" and as long as we do that we are truly in a gunfight with only a knife.

Just a question from a former employee.....how many SO's have pulled the pin in the last couple of years? I won't claim to be the first, but I was very much at the start of the wave when I bailed in '06. Best decision ever it seems reading the comments in this thread!!

Stay strong lads. Fight the good fight, and don't be afraid to vote with your feet!!

Crew Control called me today....on a G day....asking if I could help them out... When will these halfwits realize that I would rather gouge out my own eyes than "help them out"?
Oh, and good luck with the "defensive rostering" RH, looks like you need it already.:yuk:

It's very defensive right now, Crew Direct has been " busy" all morning. Go figure.

Hey Wraith
 

So far been asked to do 5 flights on G days this month (its only the 15th) 3xULH 2 local. All were messages left on a G day to work on a G day.
Keep your eyes, sit back and watch them implode in their own stupidity.

I was called 3 times in 2 days to do the same flight. I just checked who the lucky guy that accepted the flight was.... HE WAS ON STANDBY!!! If you are stupid enough to pick up your phone on your day off, at least check how many are on Standby first.

It is all just such a shame because it really doesn't need to be like this. If we just had management who had even a strain of decency, honesty and humanity running through them, who knew the value of integrity and goodwill, this company could go from strength to strength with EVERYBODY on board and singing from the same hymn sheet. But, instead, they lie, deceive, and treat their staff with utter contempt while telling us we are part of "the team' and essentially steal their bonuses from the very people, ground staff, cabin crew, engineers and pilots, who generate the public image and profits for this once proud company. It is sickening, more so when you see pilots such as RH join their ranks, turning his back on the very colleagues who share a flight deck with him.
So, in this environment, I will NEVER so much as take a step out of my way to help these people. I will do my job, nothing more, nothing less, and should one of these people spontaneously combust in front of me I will look on with wonderment and fascination whilst thinking that in a few minutes' time someone should probably think about getting a fire extinguisher.:ok:

I guess that's it then...
 

The AOA's latest missive states that the judge has turned down our request to appeal.

I still don't see how we can go from a complete victory to a complete loss with no chance of appeal. Gotta love the HK justice system. :ugh:

Are the F/O's still going to pursue their bypass case?

Sayings of my dad
 

I wouldn't p*ss on them even if they were on fire.

Goodwill on short supply
 

Last year has in more ways than one convinced me which way giving and taking goes with this company. I have estimated 25-35 years left in the company best(/worst) case scenario. Don't expect me to do ANY favours or do ANY extra miles during any of that time. Nice played management!! I know alot of the crew feel exactly the same!! I am sure that could have paid of very differently in the future. Also so much for making "the most admired airline"...

Not exactly "team"-player any more. Much so with the crew still though, just with the few exceptions certain "pilot-managers" who very decidedly jumped fence.. (to greener grass, aka bonuses)

I guess there's no chance a new case filed by a fellow S/O could turn into a win, because of case law?

No Appeal???
 

The "Honorable" Madam Justice Chu denied appeal because "I do not consider that the issues sought to be raised by the claimant constitute matters of general public importance."

Oh really, that is a pretty bold statement when you think about it in a larger context. Ensuring that employment contracts are honored by employers in Hong Kong is not important? This seems like an issue of "general public importance" to me. Am I missing something?

I think this issue is fundamental to any just society and the cornerstone of a strong business economy. Expats and other seeking employment in HKG beware!!! Perhaps not much has changed in the last 10 years after all. :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

Keep in mind the SO who filed this case was on bypass pay all along - his case claimed that he should have gotten it a few months sooner than he did. In the end he received about 18 months ( or more - not sure of exact number ) of bypass.
A big part of the judges rejection of it was that the method used by the labour tribunal to work out when he should have started getting bypass was making assumptions and not very accurate.

There are many many of them who received none whatsoever. So there possibly is a second case in there somewhere for the guys who did not get any I would guess???

How can it be fair that one guy gets 18 months worth of bypass and the next guy in seniority gets practically none - purely because the company stopped assesments.