I spoke to the 880 G dayer FO and having been called every day previously and refusing, he was about to start reserve block which meant he couldn't attend a funeral overseas ("not an immediate relative" = no company sympathy, despite the closeness of said deceased) By doing this one sector, they Pxed him straight back and he could attend the funeral. AND it cost the company 5 days of Stby.
Before accepting, he checked and EVERY single standby had been used.
Sometimes, all is not as it seems. Please be careful who's glass roof you stone.

Excuses excuses. :yuk:

I'm sure there is gonna be all sorts of wild excuses when CC starts. "Oh, my dog ate my published roster and the vet was only open when I got back from this G-day callout which I thought was a reserve day."

checked there was no other standby
 

I'd love to know how he managed this feat.
Given some stories we get told over the phone I'd be reluctant to believe a one-liner from CC

...and also SO (local Hongkie) on tonights (9 Dec) CX 289 to FRA, makes me sick:yuk:

Sydneyman
 

The AOA is not in CC. In fact in the recent vote, 3 out 4 members said now is not the time for CC! So what exactly has the FO on 506 done wrong?

I think it's called democracy me old:eek:

omg....look at who one of the FOs is on 289. Lets pray he doesnt know the SOs working a G, otherwise the SO won't be coming back in one piece....

The AOA has a BB where this issue can be discussed ad nauseum

If you want to lose the ability to check the crew list on IntraCx, carry on.

This discussion shouldn't be in the public domain. Wind your necks in lads, please.

NOT in contract compliance
 

Guys/gals,
we are NOT in contract compliance at this time. If (when) we are then it is a different story and we appreciate the effort people are putting in researching what is happening as it is peer pressure that will work best to ensure success.

In the meantime, please don't alienate those that don't share the same enthusiasm as you do for personal CC. Wait till it is official.

And when it is official, this is not the forum to discuss this - use the HKAOA forums. If you don't want to publish your name, email the office staff and your identity will be kept anonymous.

cheers
NC

It's as simple as checking as checking who's on Standby on crew direct.

No idea
 

All of the tough guys who keep checking crew direct then telling everyone on pp what they have done obviously have no idea what happened in 99. The company can turn that function off with the push of a button and they have done so in the past.

Keep up the good work.

Some people here are as dumb as a box of rocks. “WE ARE NOT IN OFFICIAL CONTRACT COMPLIANCE”. What you choose to do is your business but to out people and possibly alienate them when we will need them later on is just plain stupidity. Wind your heads in. And before some rock star accuses me of being a “G” day worker, I haven’t worked a “G” day in five years and I don’t answer my phones on my days off. That is my choice but I don’t go slagging off my work mates because they choose to when there isn’t a directive at this stage from the AOA for Contract Compliance.

Could not agree more. Already know of one chap who has thrown his AOA application in the bin for being 'named' on this thread and having his email addresses from crew direct posted (albeit later removed).

Who's on Standby - Do you really know?
 

:uhoh:
You certainly can check who was rostered on a published roster for reserve.
However if you think you can check realtime who's on standby you need to talk to the non hong kong based crew more often. You might be quite surprised how many "miraculously" have type changes to rostered trips that are hong kong based trips.
e.g.Roster will go something like this
Day 1 Home base to Hong Kong.
Day 2 HKG - Japan
Day 3 Japan - HKG
Day 4 Hkg- regional destination -Hkg.
Day 5 Hkg - Home base
Should the said candidate be approaching or in overtime there often is a miraculous type change and Day 2,3 or 4 (sometimes all 3 days) will be turned into reserve at the Headland (4 hours only per day , because 4 hours is free of credit).
Unless you check everbody's realtime roster I can't see how you will know these guys/girls are on standby, they don't show up via a roster search of reserve codes. The standard roster search with a reserve code also will not show you any Hkg based crew that have had trips "type changed" into reserve. Try it yourself by roster searching reserve codes the next time you are on reserve that wasn't part of your published roster.
So once again the G day worker is most likely working a flight at a cheaper rate than the person who was originally due the overtime.
The company is thinking about the overtime picture with all of the fleets at once, I get the impression that most of us aren't thinking about the picture outside of a single fleet.

p.s. I'm not interested in joining a knife brigade. WE need to work together, not fight amongst ourselves. The longer we fight the more the company giggles.
You do however need to be aware that you are not getting the full information from the company, either in person or from the computer. You are getting the information they want you to have. (a fairly common military intelligence war technique -" provide a partial truth")