NAMES!!!!
Still haven't heard anything from anybody yet...... Use spoonerisms or someting

HKAforever

yes we are.....

it was the HKA guys that had to go....
:O

D&G
 

I would like to ask anyone from the AOA GC, do we not have a Discipline and Grievance process in our contracts including those for terminations?

Why has there been nothing from the AOA on this matter??? Pretty serious if you ask me!:ugh:

@Saturn

Don't you know the whole Discipline and Greivance process is a sham? If the company wants you to go, they will find a way anyhow.

Saturn,

Why ask for a comment from an AOA GC member on a public forum?

If you join the AOA you will be able to contact the GC directly, or be able to use the AOA forums, where these issues can be addressed directly.

Dear Saturn

You don't have to look much further than the case of the 49'ers to see what if anything your D&G or for that matter your AOA is worth!

Saturn,

To be able to demonstrate any credibility in regard to your complaints about the AOA, remember one thing. A good criticism must be backed up with a plausable alternative. That doesn't include a "do nothing".

I would imagine that you have truly talked yourself into believing what you write, however it is quite clear to us that you are "jack". Lets be honest here, you're to tight to pay for AOA membership which oh by the way aint much, and your "shallow" attempts to justify your non-membership are exactly that.

Get the moths out of your wallet and join a group of fellow pilots that are prepared to put their money where the mouth is. The lawyers the AOA have engaged are going to cost money, are you kicking in????

Um
 

Big Picture I have to disagree with you on many levels as I have seen my T&C's deterioate during my time here. RP04, RP07, Rostering, Free Reserve (working for free), COS 08, DEC's and the list goes on! For the record, I am a member of the AOA! But how much more do we give up? I say it's never going to stop and the AOA has become rather pointless. This is simply a contract job now like Korean or China or EVA or others. The way I see it is you have two choices; accept what CX says's or leave. The AOA cannot defend you and cannot stop it. I refer again to the 14+ that were just terminated. No mention of it? Why am I paying dues again? So my T's&C's can contiune to fall? Don't get me wrong CX is better than most but we are quickly reaching the bottom. Soon we will be with the likes of Qatar and Emirates.:ugh:

Check with AHK.. what mess management landed up in non-compliance to the D & G process and heard, the little asean kid stood up and took AHK management on an appeal and probably to courts too...!! :O Wonder he manage to survive or not with management from same CX origin. ;)

AOA may be helping this young bugger...?? :suspect:

Good luck to all these guys!