Cathay disables Airshow (moving map)
 

Just in on the 827 from Toronto on which the airshow was disabled during the entire flight due to latest "security concerns." Crew (both flight and cabin) told me it was system wide. Does anyone know who made this stunning decision? Is it temporary or likely to be permanent? I am stunned and saddened that CX has fallen for the knee jerk horse has bolted type of action we usually only see in the US.
I cannot believe that anyone with knowledge of aviation really thinks that the airshow gives would be bombers information that could help them with their plots. sad situation all round in my view!

Oh dear, atm1710 - how old are you?

I have lived a little longer I suspect, and know that the TSA has no influence on how an airline operates it's a/c, either within, over, the US or anywhere else. There's another bunch of bureaucratick f%ckwits called the FAA that does this for and on behalf of the US Proletariat....

And while we are on the subject - at what level can a government influence what data is displayed on an IFE system when an a/c is in-flight, isn't it that either international law or the home-territoy law applies - like the HK Gov?

Can any air-lawyers advise?

Brgd's

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Any chance you could be a little more condescending? By your own admission you have been around a long time, so maybe it's time you learn some manners.

Well something's up - Airshow is deactivated on all flights.

AFL

For once this was not a cx decision. There is a directive issued by the Department of Homeland security that stated the airshow had to be disabled and crew were not to broadcast the position or point out landmarks to the pax.
Also in the directive, pax were to be seated 1 hr before landing and not allowed to go to the toilet. There were not allowed to access their hand luggage or have anything on their lap inculing blankets and pillow 1 hr before landing on any US bound or flights from the US.
All rushed in to make the general public feel safer :ugh:

So why was this system wide on all routes? As I understand, this includes routes such as HK-TPE in a 330 that will never go to the US? Indeed the flight I was on was from Canada to HK and at no time passed through US airspace. And of course there were none of the other restrictions mentioned. ie pax moved around happily until seatbelt sign came on at the usual time. I cannot believe US dep't of Homeland Security can control all of CX's flights!
(not to mention my previous point about the stupidity of banning airshow even in the US!)

I think they have already relaxed some of the knee-jerk items like staying in seat for the last hour. Probably some incontinent passengers have caused that to change.

Don't see them taking watches off people or demanding that window blinds stay down though you can't make PA's with city names or positions over ground within USA.
HNY:}

Why do we all have to suffer because there's a jih@d targeting the US ?

Confusion fills skies after attempted bombing - Yahoo! News

This is all airlines , pitty as I really enjoyed the info

Why Airshow is disabled network wide is beyond me - the USA is semi-understandable but between HKG - BKK? Where's the NTC explaining this?

AFL

Its amazing we are trusted to know where we are but are banned liquids, nailclippers etc:D

Can somebody remind me how many actual threats have been averted at the airport security level??

its displayed on the airphone anyway, different circuit. HHHMMM

And all because some deranged Nigerian set his testicles on fire to honour Allah.:D
Considering his old dad had been telling anyone who would listen to lock him up cos he was a psycho, he must be a centred individual

Fat lot of fun he will have in paradise with his 50 virgins when he has burnt his nuts off.:sad: Best of luck setting an aircraft interior on fire nowadays, the burn test requirements on seat covers and carpets are rather severe. It's not so long ago when there was a smokers section on all flights. Cigarette lighters, litre bottles of duty free. Somehow we managed not to annhialate the world.:ugh:

If these camel humpers can't act civil they should not be allowed travel, I am all for profiling.:ok:

no NTC so our procedures don't change.....the US needs to change it's foreign policy though.

Possible Reason
 

Perhaps people in high level circles were concerned that maybe CX's very own 'The Management' would have his/her location revealed to disgruntled Drivers via the Airshow ?

That retard was actually on a CIA list, and yet managed to get on an american aircraft without so much of a pat down...

All the security measure the TSA and others have had us endure for years have yet again proven to be useless. The only guys actually able to stop these idiots are the CIA and other intelligence agencies, and again, they've just show how useless they are at their job, so the TSA and FAA happily come up with new and improved ways to f#*k everybody's day, except the terrorists, of course.

If it keeps going that way, the gringos will have us fly naked and chained to the seats in a few years time...

federal employees at work.....

I can hear the sound of stable door hinges squeaking in the wind!!!
I assume that the so called department of home land stupidity will be paying the airlnes not to have airshow and a refund on the expensive systems they have bought.....I thought not.....there again a hand held GPS in the cabin works in any case (by the window)....

That has been the rule going into KDCA for the last 8 years.

seated 1 hour before landing
 

So now another PA 1 hour out! It goes on and on!

I suppose with nutters like the Nigerian around these rules may be necessary as a temporary measure.

Insha'Allah no more like him (on a US watch list) will get onto a plane anytime soon :rolleyes:

Simple answer: hire ex-Israeli airline security personnel. They have NO problem profiling. The safety record of El-Al is impeccable. We are going to lose several airliners before the disability of political correctness is eradicated. :ugh:

Where are we?
 

Presumably we will be required to turn off all GPS/IRS/V-DMEs when entering US airspace, so we don't know where we are either?
If pre-boarding security is more stringent for crews than pax, logically we should be more uncertain of position than them too!

oops I think someone forgot to lock the door at the Kowloon hospital Psyc ward.....:D

Nitpicker: to whom or what are you referring to?

and now, back to the scheduled program
 

does anyone know if cx has publically stated what their policy on this airshow issue is? is it still a system wide ban?

The silence is still deafening. Airshow disabled on my latest regional flight from base; no Company information anywhere and the ISM had no information either. The only 'heads up' after days off was from good old PPRUNE; PPRUNE-ers, if not for you I would have told several hundred passengers that they could 'refer to the Airshow presentation' as usual during the 'welcome aboard' announcement. Maybe Before Flight Duties should include a check of the PPRUNE forums.

Our esteemed leaders must be busy composing more 'correct wearing of uniform' NTC's.

Option
 

Captain dart, perhaps they could put 'iron on transfers' upon those neatly pressed handsome shirts, displaying things like route maps, topographical data, places of interest etc. The Crew could even change shirts every half hour or so, displaying more exciting 'non security breaching tripe' ?

The AIRSHOW was working fine today on the flight into Toronto. It even showed Detroit. Mind you I was flying on Air Canada!

On the beach :ok:

ISD (Pom) put out a notice recently. I saw one which stated that ENG was in the process of reactivating the airshows and Satphones. Apparently these were disabled. Nice of FOPS to let us know....
I cannot believe the lack of communication from FOPS regarding this. It is inexcusable.

You are not correct, there has been a Company Notam since the 26th of December.

Airshow
 

I was on the CX250 (LHR-HKG) on Jan 1st - Airshow was working fine although the estimated arrival time on Airshow compared to that displayed on the window on the top right of the IFE screen (and on the handest) was out of sync by about 1/2 hour or so.
Airshow was correct by the way.
I guess they must be fed from diffrerent sources ?

Absolute and complete rubbish.
I paxed back home on Royal Jordanian to ORD yestersay, and the airshow was in full operation...for the entire flight.

ALL foreign airlines operating scheduled services to the USA must be certificated in accordance with 14CFR129, which provide for specific regulation for said foreign air carriers for continued ops.
IF the FAA said 'off with the map', the map goes OFF, and there is nothing the airline can do about it, if they want to continue ops to the USA.
Don't like it...fly somewhere else..

Yes that is fine 411A but still a mystery to many within cx as to why the map was disabled on intra asian regional flights on aircraft that never go near the usa. however, things seem to be returning to normal after a panicky initial few days...

The HAECO Engineer explained it to me, Airshow is part of the integrated IFE system and can't just be turned on and off as required but has to be disabled behind the VCC. The job takes about 3 to 4 hours. Aircraft that normally go to the US were targeted as the aircraft that would have the Airshow disabled. Now that the US permits Airshow, the wiring is being reconnected.

This whole business was a knee-jerk reaction by...yes...her (otherwise known as a him behind closed doors)...Janet Napolitano, the totally useless piece of cr*p that is the 'director' of Homeland 'Security'
Ms Napolitano was (thankfully, now the -ex) governor of Arizona, and before that, a less than stellar federal prosacutor.
Sure glad she is now gone from Arizona, however...she is now coming under increasing heat for her ineptness, and may well be sacked in the future.