ATY:

You are obviously not American and you don't know anyone at Continental.

First of all, Continental's pay sucks! FOs start at about 25K per year and are still only making about 70K after 5 years - that is regional style pay. Not to mention that an equal seniority 737 Captain at SWA makes 50,000 USD more than their counterpart at CO. You should check your facts before you throw about false statements which spread ignorance.

And their management are not that good, they just simply have less of them than other top-heavy carriers like AAL, UAL, and DAL.

One of the reasons the airline has done well is because it is subsidized by the employees, same as other carriers.

Also keep in mind that almost half of the COA pilots are scabs. You can look at the ALPA scab list by searching for it easily in Google, and you will mostly see CO pilot's names.

Yeah, with less than 50% membership, you should be confident about getting 100% support. :rolleyes:

You are rather misinformed about Continental yourself, we certainly do not have 50% scab Pilots !


My seniority is roughly 1400 0ut of 5000, I am not one and no one junior to me is.


I would say the real numbers would be closer to 6-700 today, most of that rot is gone.


It is true that things are run fairly well these days, however our 'A' fund is nowhere near being fully funded and our management recently stated they did not consider it a legally binding obligation.


We are in negotiations however and this is pretty standard stuff..

Stilton, I was refering to CX AOA low rates of membership. The original subject of the thread before the excessive creep was them standing shoulder to shoulder to fight everything from CX management to the beijing boys. Cant quite see them getting the numbers, can you?

OCD

One of the smartest and well thought out posts I've read on Prune!!

Hear, hear

AOA numbers...does anyone have the actual number of members, b/c each week I get the update and for the past few months it seems like there have been a LOT of people joining. It seems ever since the new prez took over, the numbers have been going up huge.

64% was the last figure I heard, from a GC member.

AOA recruitment has increased in the last 6 months, but more significantly new CX pilot recruitment has basically stopped and is likely to stay at zero for the rest of the year (except for the 30 or so Cadets graduating from ADL).

Over the past few years CX has been recruiting 200+ new pilots annually, so the AOA has had to find 200+ new members every year just to maintain their "market share". It is commendable that AOA recruitment basically did keep up with the Airline expansion, especially given CX efforts to deny the AOA access to new members.

It looks as if we are going to have another bitter industrial summer, which is always good for increasing membership numbers. Maybe 75% by the end of the year? :rolleyes:

Last count 63% rising:ok:

from what i understand its increasing at ~1% per month

Minimums!

Yup, quite true....but just to set the record straight, this was possible only because Lorenzo was able to pull the airline back from the brink, so many years ago.
Many folks quickly forget the dire straights Continental was in at that time...UAL was cleaning Continental's clock on major routes to/from Denver and Chicago, and would have gone truly bust, if something wasn't done, and quick.

The pilots at CX have only two realistic choices, stay and enjoy your jobs, or fine work elsewhere.
Collectively or individually, you will not be able to change your managements tune, no matter what you do.

Them's the facts.

Well, well, 411A back again and disputing what a currently employed continental pilot says about his pension.
Gives a good hint as to what credence we should give his opinions.:ugh:

411A

Pulled Continental from the brink? Wow, heady stuff! He must have received some recognition and praise for that effort!

Gee, what ever happened to your hero Lorenzo....?

And what was it the FAA banned him from ever doing again???

Still owns quite a large chunk of Continental preferred stock, mostly through a blind trust.
Many present Continental pilots were barely out of diapers when Lorenzo pulled the strings at Continental, so I would hardly expect them (as a collective group) to know what time of day it is, let alone anything about the 'old days' at Continental.

Except of course, the BS that ALPO feeds you.

We could ask the one CX guy who was there in '83 about Lorenzo.

Something about the LWOP concept is particularly absurd. The management want me/us to give up some of our BASE salary....while they award themselves BONUSE'S. Before there could be any talk about taking away from base salaries, at the very least the starting point would be the management recoginising that awarding themselves bonuses is beyond obscene. The fact that they don't seem to recognise this is more reason for us to not recognise them crying wolf yet again....:mad:

why would you take LWOP while they have been hiring?

......why would we pay for managements utter cock-ups...?

We will never understand, nor accept Corporate Culture. Bonuses are par for their course. THey're upstaris laughing at how we workers keep complaining about it. Unfortunately, no matter how much we whinge and bitch here, nothing can be done until something is put forth by our AOA to address the obscene , asburd situation. So, GC, get your asses into gear and listen to our whinging and bitching!!!!

Speaking to 3 Airbus FO's today... all are over 90hrs for the month :confused:

411a I beg to differ. Dragonair pilots were successful in an industrial campaign last year. The improvements have been very good.

Has surprised me the AOA hasn't tried to welcome the DPA in an aggressive manner. Actually, it really makes me wonder.