Liam
Wasn't really thinking about SO's as the question was about Commands. I take your implied point though!

Just had a look through my COS. I read that the company should be paying bypass pay for ALL Captains retained beyond normal retirement age. We should be receiving bypass pay for all the extensions on the freighter!!!!

This should not be a battle between HKG and Based. It should be a discussion of how the company is not complying with our contract!!!

This has been addressed. Check the AOA website MEMBERS section for with incoming and outgoing correspondence.

All AOA members need to log on to the AOA website, go to the inwards correspondence and read the DFO's reply dated 12/11/08 about SO bypass pay and why he won't pay it. According to him the COS hasn't kept pace with "custom and practice". Apparently this gives him carte blanche to disregard it....

Don't tell me..let me guess:

The AOA is completely happy with this explanation and won't be doing ANYTHING further!!:D Way to go AOA..!!

100% Non-AOA:ok:

AD Pussy
 

Showing your complete lack of intelligence there then...AOA members will know whats in the pipeline....too bad you cant take your head out of your ass to see...:rolleyes::D

AD POSS............more to the point what are YOU doing about it? Been in to see NR and expressed your point yet?

As I'm sure you're well aware, the AOA is not a singular entity, it's us, the pilot body i.e. the majority of the people that you work with (assuming you do actually work for CX).

Tell you what, how about you write to (or visit) both the DFO and the HKAOA (as a non member) stating your opinon on the issues faced by the pilot group and provide suggestions on how to fix them. Report back on who gives you the best reception......

Goonybird

Thanks for pointing out the grey areas, between the black and white. By that I mean there is always more to an issue than the obvious black and white, which in this case is that if an FO refuses a command, then there should be no BPP. However, to address your grey areas (IMHO):

• Failed command once? Sorry NO BPP! Command pay is for Commanders! I know there are guys who seem to miss out unfairly, but I do not believe there are as many as is suggested!
• FO awarded command, but waiting for a joker? YES BPP! He/she hasn't "refused" it, they are simply waiting in turn.
• Bidding for, but not received? NO BPP!
• Refused a command, for any reason? NO BPP!
• Not willing to return to Hong Kong due to family reasons? Sorry, NO BPP! There are lots of people with difficult home situations. CX is no a welfare organisation!

Cheers for listening.