Question about job offer
 

What appen if I'm unable to accept a DEFO job offer ?I'll be put in the waiting pool and what about consequences?
Thanks for any reply or previus same experiences...
Cheers.

From past experience, unless you have a very good reason (in their opinion) you can write off coming here later once you knock back a job offer!

Thanks,let's see what will happen....
Cheers.

Negative. Have flown with many guys who defferred the first time. Second time is the one where you will need a very good reason.

But Cathay is having such a hard time finding anyone that they will take you no matter how many times you deffer. They are that short these days...

Deffer away.

know a guy who turned down the offer twice and they still called him once more for a class.

Got new offer!
744 London base,starting 17 dec.
See you at HKG,
Cheers!;)

Freight or Pax?

Freight...

Freight pay and conditions are vastly inferior to DEFO on the passenger fleet which they are still offering. Well at least they were last week!

DEFO Pax?
 

Which bases and type is being offered for the DEFO positions?

DEFO Pax positions are available in Sydney and Melbourne on the A330 and from mid-08, New York on the 777.

DEFO = UFO= Freight CoS
 

From recent history I suspect that there will no longer be differentiation between freight and (based)pax FOs next year. Those lucky enough to join by Dec 31st this year will be on about 30% more than those joining from Jan 1st - but remember, this isn't a C scale, its a Unified scale.

FYI. 2007 - pax FO Australia gets $118K (+HDP + 15.5%PF). Freighter FO gets about $92K.

2008 pax/freighter FO on UFO scale will get about $92-94K and probably the ability to work till 65 to make up for the income shortfall and extended time to command so there is a silver lining;-/

For the US - I think UFO should be around $72-74K vs current $62-64K for freighter FO and $100K+ for pax FO. So not quite as bad as the Aussie deal.

For Aussie pilots have a good look at QF, Virgin Blue domestic, Jetstar and EK as options. Depends on whether you want career+money or live in HKG eventually!

The unmitigated gall of this airline is breathtaking. With an impending pilot shortage of epic proportions looming, they effectively LOWER the pay scales yet again. Why would any Aussie bother joining CX now?

Cause there's so many Aussies still applying!!

So NC to recap, u are saying (regarding USA base freighter DEFO)
whoever joins Jan.1st 2008 will get 72K/74K ???

NC,
I've been trying to find out about the unified DEFO pay for Aus bases. This was part of COS08 right? Does the fact it didn't get through, affect the unified DEFO pay?
Will we find out before 01 Jan 08 that the DEFO $118K is a thing of the past? ie are there any FACTS out there?
This is certainly going to affect me (providing the 2nd interview goes OK).

Best Guess!
 

There are no published payscales for UFO 08. So the following is my best guess based on what appears to be their(CX) thinking. I have taken out the proposed 3/4/3%(respectively) payrises as not sure what they will do.

AUS $89,965 (+15.5% +HDP)
EUR £43,304 (++)
USAB $71,300 (++)

So poydras, joining on pax or freighter my understanding is that you will get the above figure.

Blogsey,
the company doesn't tend to move at all from what its starting position was. Based on that premise, the first 5 years of pay should be (Aus base):
$89,965
$91,759
$93,588
$114,140
$135,472

In the past pilots have done their freighter commitment and then moved to pax fleet and hence got a very large payrise. The intent of the UFO scale was to have low starting salary and then at the 5 year mark, slightly exceed pax scale. Over a 10 year basing as an FO the UFO scale is 5-15% below earnings of the DEFO 07 pilot for Aus, depending on any 'imposed' payrises! Haven't bothered with calculating other bases but I suspect it will be similar.

clear as mud.

Yeah thanks - pretty clear that everybody loses and greed wins the day - as usual!

Hmm, you guys must get some good benefits or very generous housing allowance, for that new pay scale is no better than European low cost and you don't need several thousand hours to join. So, I'm getting increasingly puzzled as to what the great attraction of CX is anymore. Anyone care to enlighten me? :)

TX NC.
So on the 5 years mark CX makes money since the UFO scale is lower than the actual pax scale.