ATC has the Jimmy Brits
 

Time to collate the displeasure HK ATC has with the 4th floor (the term Management doesn't belong here). Much has been said in the thread Hkg Atc, feel free to continue the displeasure here.

Cyril Said to the duty Watch Manager: "this place is Disneyland and you are Blankety Blank". Yes of course the Blankety Blank is Mickey Mouse and just what is Mickey Mouse doing these days...yes thats right, he is the Chief of Ops :D Credit to Spook :D.

Cyril Said : "the public think that all those Mickey Mouse ears on the expressway are leading the some field of dreams theme park over the hill, little do they know its the sign posting to the Blank". Yes thats right, the Blank here is the ATCX :D. Credit to RAS :D

Cyril Said: "that sign out the front that says Air Traffic Control Complex...it was supposed to be a Noun not a Blank". Yes thats right, the Blank here is "VERB" :D. Credit again to RAS :D.

Cyril says: Expect to be disappointed, otherwise you will only be disappointed. The leave roster, or complete lack of it seems to have bought a lot of issues to boiling point. The fact that there are staff with an "overflowing leave balance" and as such they are losing 3 days earned leave into thin air each month IS A CRIMINAL ACT!!!. THOSE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD FACE IMMEDIATE DISMISSAL.:=:=:=:=:=

I have to be fair here because there are some who tries very hard on the 4th floor to be helpful. There are many problems but this is almost always true for a government organization trying to keep pace with a fast growing industry.
You expats are already getting a much better deal than us. I have to agree with you that there is a more suitable person for Chief of Ops. Anyway, don't get too upset, it is no good for your blood pressure.

:ok: There should be a more suitable person for Chief of Training and Evaluation as well ... Cannot stand him coming into the center every hour and disturbing us in the Restrooms all the time:=

Ha! So funny to see him running around sticking his nose into everything when new C(OPS) is to scared to come out of his office yet!:confused:

To my ATCO colleages, demand from management no more traffic increase until leave and pay is fixed.

uncle 4, agree.

This weasel needs to be taught a lesson. May be he came in to find his young lady friend(s)! what a disgraceful dept.!

Suzie,
The whole system needs an Atomic Bomb and start again.Scrap the leave system,TOIL and the telephone directory watch rosters.
Sort people leave out into teams: ie only 5 per watch on leave at any one time.They will have to give rostered days off as that. The roster should be TOIL neutral.10th day working is unpaid overtime.Buy out everyones TOIL and throw it away.Any overtime to be paid per day.HKD6000 a day any good?
You don't have a Union/Association with any :} .They are only interested in IFATCA stuff.Well until that changes you don't have a hope of improvement.Strike action? Mass sickie? Vote with your feet?
I think the later is the only option available currently.Sorry

Hey why are you all so negative.
How many hours do you work a shift? This is still a good job if you compare with how much harder you work in the private sector for the money you get otherwise I am sure you would have resigned. This person you hate is probably the only one that contribute and get things done effectively from the 4th floor. I do not want to sound pro management but I am only trying to be fair to everyone in this system and I am not his lady friend.

How come you are so negative? My girlfriend in the private sector works twice as hard for the same money I get, to me this is still a reasonable job for the time you work and the training provided.
A lot of the things that happened are really no one's fault. The 4th floor has their hands tied by the government because of the employment stop and than we hired some people who are not very good. I can understand that you are upset because of no leave since the training for replacements takes so long.
That person you pick on is the most helpful person down there, at least, he taught me many things and tried hard to make the system work by always coming back to help when staff is short.
I agree our association is useless and people only become the chairman to climb up the management tree, we should all stop paying the fee.

What a JOKE?
 

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What has he done effective??? apart from trying a few young girl SATCOs (disgraceful) and from hassling us SATCO's. He's called everyone of my friends into his room and gave us bulls:mad: ... "Approach is better" .... "TR is easy" .... 'I can help ......'
HA HA HA ... and you are maybe the same person as 'Departure Control' - you both trying to say nice thing about this person .... Absolutely hopeless ... you can ask anyone in ATC ... hopeless
I would resign anytime, because pay is low now and I will not get proper pay until I get my radar ... (DON'T KNOW IN HOW MANY YEARS ----):D :D :D :D :D

So what job in private sector do you want to compare mine to?

What? You mean like thinking out of 300+ people that none would ever be sick or get pregnant or have alife outside work?

So how stupid is governments decision to stop recruitment if it take so long to catch up again? Who told them things are fine? Why they don't fight harder for us.Are they so weak?

That is the problem! Coming back to make the system work just make the government think there is nothing wrong! Works against us in the end.

The association is only good as its members. Get off your seat and make something happen. Current chairman is trying hard at least to fight for us. Fee is so small compare to other IFATCA member - stop complaining.

:D Well said Suzie.:D

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A lot of the things that happened are really no one's fault.
IT IS MANAGEMENT'S FAULT ... := an acting/Assistant Director who does not want to do anything until he permanently on the job, a Chief of OPS who know nothing about OPS and is scared to come out of his office, and a Chief of Training who thinks he is in charge of all (and of course, his young lady friends). I haven't met the Chief of Systems yet, but I heard he is the only one working hard.:=

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I can understand that you are upset because of no leave since the training for replacements takes so long.

It is not ONLY training for replacements. Why is there a SAR course when staffing is tight. why not postpone the course?? you sacrifice Staff leave just because the department want to make a good show .... :ugh:
Training takes long because poor planning .... I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY RADAR COURSE ....:{ :{ :{
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he taught me many things and tried hard to make the system work by always coming back to help when staff is short.
Coming back to help doesn't prove anything ... it is actualy pathetic ... NOMAN will think everything is ok:mad: . The system will not work JUST because he come back to work.
What did he teach you, how to court the young ladies (girls)???:ugh: :ugh:
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Again, this guy doesn't know his job ... not capable, and arrogent ....:=

Does he have a choice? Doesn't he want promotion? He's a showman. Of course he wants to come back to help out.

The odd letter to the management with soft-wording makes the president a popular figure! Are you too simple or always naive? it's a show. don't you get it?:ugh:

Not many jobs in the private sector where you can kill 1000+ people with one mistake.Unless you work for private ATC supplier.:uhoh:

Uncle4,
if you are so discontent with your job, you are welcome to quit. :ugh:
if you do not satisfy with your training, (i believe you are not radar-rated) confront the CTE whom you dislike and ask what great plan he has for u. strive for yourself. stop murmur.

I agree with Suzie. :D :D :D Don't be so negative. I want my salary raise as well, but it is out of our hands. The general public will not show mercy to us and think our civil servants are overpaid. The traffic volume increases quickly and we require great concentration on our job. hundreds of lives in one plane. No mistake shall be made.

My opinion towards the Asso. is that we haven't really give them support. They tried to fight for us and asked for comments or stream representatives, but we gave up and showed no concern. who should we blame?:rolleyes:

Uncle and Sue,
Your views are very lopsided, this is why:
1. I worked for different employers before coming here, CAD is not brilliant but no worse than others in supply for staff. My last employer hired too many than VR too many in the 90s and end up with too little again. Coming up with the right numbers all the time is a lot harder than you think. I am sorry for you if you think this is so simple. Wait 6 months and you will hear what the FAA will do to fix their post PATCO retirement problems.
2. If someone works on his day off to make sure I get a decent meal break when there are sickies, I am not going to write him off. Of course, you may have your personal hatred for him, for us on APP he certainly did more to contain the workload than the previous check controller and raised the standard of some very ordininary locals.
2.He is the only one from the office who knows what goes on but you are blaming him for that. He is still better than the big chief and many others who sits in their big offices and pretends to Noman that everything is OK. I know because I spoke to Noman when we had drinks last months he knew very little about the problems in the field and cares less.
3.I agree with you that there should not be any increase in movements before our conditions get better. I am not in your union but this is what can be done - get your assoication boss mate to run a survey amongst the members, drum up the support and the president can tell the press that their members will not work any more increases without the government paying up. Imagine how much bigger a bomb shell this one will be. Achieving results is not just about how much union fees you pay.
This is where you should direct your energy into whether than waste this forum for your personal feuds, stop behaving like teenagers.

I think that the Association will have zero impact.It doesn't have any say on pay rates and leave problems within CAD.The pay and leave can only be dictated by the Civil Service.
One solution would be to hire expats to fill the gaps,and get more bums on seats.The pay issue is in the lap of the Civil service gods.
There are a lot of places facing double digit percentage traffic rises with nothing for it.How are you going to stop more traffic?It just appears.
More expats is the only short term fix.At least the locals would get leave as well,and it is possible within current Civil service rules.:cool:

it seems an easy solution to hire the expats again. := however, before that, approval from CSB, interviews, settlement, training... how long do they take? why not, ask those high-paid Twr-rated only Gweilo and the 'exception' to have a training/conversion of Radar control?? it sounds easier than hiring the expats again.:O

I am not about to forgive or justify the results of what the 4th floor has created. The acute shortage of staff, the poorly managed training and the virtually non-existant leave program are only the start of a long list of real grievances that we all hold. However, if you are going to fire bullets, at least fire them for real reasons and not because of obvious personality clashes with individuals who have not been in a position to actually create your grievance.

Sounds to me Uncle4 that "Papa Bear has been gettin more Honey than Baba Bear" or are you one of those enigmatic self pleasuring people who unwittingly keep using thier personality as a contraceptive?:hmm:

I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?

I agree and support APP. How can an employer force their workers to keep working more traffic and decrease their pay time after time again. The public has a right to know this injustice when they only think that the AA is making lots of money and rewarding their staff generously, we are the ones doing the hard work and get kick around. The association must do something for us, an open letter to the government and the press will put up our case.

so many interest here, let me contribute.

Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course:eek: ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.

The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.:eek: He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time:D While we work hard.

App

don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!