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Cathay Cadets Stopped From Flying Solo

Old 12th Jun 2024, 08:20
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Too used to being told what to do all the time”

The perfect employee. Beats those pesky gwailos hands down.
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Old 13th Jun 2024, 15:09
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What stands out to me is calling training flights 'missions' as though they were a military goal that must be completed; perhaps this encourages get-there-itis. I also wonder if language differences are a contributing factor.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 02:55
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Too used to being told what to do all the time”

The perfect employee. Beats those pesky gwailos hands down.
Ah but these days, any attempt to publish research findings that may be unfavourable to a certain culture is automatically 'racist'.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 07:59
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I read that any issues have been sorted and the Cathay trainees will be in the air again this week.
It was a pretty minor issue in the first place when one considers the number of cadets in training in any one year.

A couple of the incidents though may have involved disciplinary rule breaking conduct and breaching their contract terms with Cathay and if so I feel that they may be in serious trouble and possibly be let go.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 15:38
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
I read that any issues have been sorted and the Cathay trainees will be in the air again this week.
It was a pretty minor issue in the first place when one considers the number of cadets in training in any one year.

A couple of the incidents though may have involved disciplinary rule breaking conduct and breaching their contract terms with Cathay and if so I feel that they may be in serious trouble and possibly be let go.
You are hilarious

1. huge cockup, resulting in damage to the aircraft

then either:

2a. didn't notice that they cocked up AND that there was damage.

or:

2b. Knew they cocked up, then tried to hide it/ get away with it without mentioning it to the flight school/ maintenance/ the next pilot, putting the next pilot's life in danger.

This is both a skill issue and very likely a moral issue.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 21:54
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
I read that any issues have been sorted and the Cathay trainees will be in the air again this week.
It was a pretty minor issue in the first place when one considers the number of cadets in training in any one year.

A couple of the incidents though may have involved disciplinary rule breaking conduct and breaching their contract terms with Cathay and if so I feel that they may be in serious trouble and possibly be let go.
How are prop strikes, runway excursion, and hitting an object while taxing minor problem? Any one of them is a major problem, let alone all of them in a short time span.... This accident can't happen at any level of training.

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Old 19th Jun 2024, 18:56
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Originally Posted by lucille
Too used to being told what to do all the time”

The perfect employee. Beats those pesky gwailos hands down.
One of my Chinese airline cadets failed his PPL ride for traffic pattern operations/judgement
Our school used to use one non-towered airport, often to practice crosswind take off and landing

Well, the cadet was taken there on the checkride and set up to land on the short runway with a crosswind when a long runway was available with favorable winds, and disrupted the pattern. A learning experience for all.
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Old 20th Jun 2024, 04:52
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Not sure what your point is Koan. Can you expand please...
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Old 20th Jun 2024, 08:08
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Originally Posted by Koan
One of my Chinese airline cadets failed his PPL ride for traffic pattern operations/judgement
Our school used to use one non-towered airport, often to practice crosswind take off and landing

Well, the cadet was taken there on the checkride and set up to land on the short runway with a crosswind when a long runway was available with favorable winds, and disrupted the pattern. A learning experience for all.
sounds like the examiner was to blame here.
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Old 20th Jun 2024, 23:25
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
I read that any issues have been sorted and the Cathay trainees will be in the air again this week.
It was a pretty minor issue in the first place when one considers the number of cadets in training in any one year.

A couple of the incidents though may have involved disciplinary rule breaking conduct and breaching their contract terms with Cathay and if so I feel that they may be in serious trouble and possibly be let go.
That's funny, you must be within or around someone trying to hide something there. It's a shame what they've done and the need to ground all of them.

I truly believe they are really not up to the required level as I've flown around those guys... I'd rather be on ground.
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Old 21st Jun 2024, 00:20
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Is the FAA looking in to this? Do they publish their finding? I think the report will be quite interesting to read. Might be a good human performance case study.
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Not sure what your point is Koan. Can you expand please...
Nothing really. Other than cultural factors may have influenced integration of what the cadet learned to that point in the course and thus his decision making in comparison to a Western student of same age and flight hour experience.
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Originally Posted by Oasis
You are hilarious

1. huge cockup, resulting in damage to the aircraft

then either:

2a. didn't notice that they cocked up AND that there was damage.

or:

2b. Knew they cocked up, then tried to hide it/ get away with it without mentioning it to the flight school/ maintenance/ the next pilot, putting the next pilot's life in danger.

This is both a skill issue and very likely a moral issue.
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Apologies if my context was unclear.
I was not intending to indicate that I considered the individual cockup were not serious - most would agree that they clearly were as seeming was the attitude of the perpetrators.
The point that I seemingly failed to make was was that I believed there was an overreaction by the school that was taken up as a tabloid story by the normal culprits.
Our youngest boy just finished training in AU and found the both the school and instructors excellent as were the 20 other cadets which included 5 HKG ex AIS boys.
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Old 22nd Jun 2024, 22:20
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
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Apologies if my context was unclear.
I was not intending to indicate that I considered the individual cockup were not serious - most would agree that they clearly were as seeming was the attitude of the perpetrators.
The point that I seemingly failed to make was was that I believed there was an overreaction by the school that was taken up as a tabloid story by the normal culprits.
Our youngest boy just finished training in AU and found the both the school and instructors excellent as were the 20 other cadets which included 5 HKG ex AIS boys.
Thanks for giving more information on where you're coming from. I can't really gauge if it was an overreaction or not from the school, certainly dramatic! Possible that a more measured approach would be more appropriate.
Congrats on your youngest finishing training, certainly a good time to hit the job market for him/her.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 04:52
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
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Apologies if my context was unclear.
I was not intending to indicate that I considered the individual cockup were not serious - most would agree that they clearly were as seeming was the attitude of the perpetrators.
The point that I seemingly failed to make was was that I believed there was an overreaction by the school that was taken up as a tabloid story by the normal culprits.
Our youngest boy just finished training in AU and found the both the school and instructors excellent as were the 20 other cadets which included 5 HKG ex AIS boys.
The only way I can think of it as an overreaction is that it might turn into an own goal for the school. Unwanted attention from the FAA, a few questions on how they made it solo, compressed training, CX recruitment … doubt they will ever get another CX contract with all the image damage they caused.
Totally deserved but still damage and we will all suffer for it.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 12:57
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Totally deserved but still damage and we will all suffer for it.
I, for one, would be very happy to see a reduction in student training at my base airport. Maybe then tower will go back to accepting normal traffic patterns (circuits) instead of the two counties patterns the Aeroguard students are taught to fly.

Fly the aircraft you are in, not the one you hope to fly a year after graduating.
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Old 23rd Jun 2024, 13:20
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Originally Posted by EXDAC
I, for one, would be very happy to see a reduction in student training at my base airport. Maybe then tower will go back to accepting normal traffic patterns (circuits) instead of the two counties patterns the Aeroguard students are taught to fly.

Fly the aircraft you are in, not the one you hope to fly a year after graduating.
Don’t get this and I seriously doubt they know what they are gonna fly next except for the name of the model.
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Old 26th Jun 2024, 05:02
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Three cadets now removed from the training...
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Old 26th Jun 2024, 07:22
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..........and from Cathay I understand.
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Old 27th Jun 2024, 05:52
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand
..........and from Cathay I understand.
I hope so, but the press release said from training in the USA, so perhaps they will turn up downunder....
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