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Sickness Intimidation Policy

Old 7th Jan 2023, 21:16
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Totally agree SloppyJoe, and I'm in the same boat. CX was the biggest part of my career by a factor of 10, so the goings on still interest me.
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Old 7th Jan 2023, 22:23
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I’m ex-KA and who wouldn’t return here for the entertainment of seeing pilots seemingly awaken to a new found unfairness at CX? 😳
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Old 8th Jan 2023, 03:42
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Originally Posted by SloppyJoe View Post
I find it so childlike when people comment on those who have left that still post on this forum, remarks such as get a life, if it's so great having left why are you here etc etc. WTAF, it's the internet, I left but read FH, CX was a big part of my life as was HK. Literally five minutes a week at most, more this week as I am writing this. Bizzare. No I don't miss CX, much happier where I am now but the shit show I spent years enduring interests me enough to read about it, if only to confirm what I already knew, definitely the right move. Good luck btw, very rarely did I not enjoy the company of those I worked with.
It's ironic that you should mention the word "childlike". Spending time here to read up on your old employer, city and life is fair enough. Even taking part in discussions if you can be a mature adult is no problem.

Feeling the need to always add useless negative commentary at every single chance you can get like a damn attention seeking chihuahua snapping at the heels to desperately justify to yourself and others that you made the right choice by leaving (which you probably did), now THAT'S childlike.

Everyone is aware of the sh*tshow going on and don't need constant reminding from anyone that's had the chance to leave (good on 'em). Well, everyone except VOCH at least, it seems.
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Old 8th Jan 2023, 04:48
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With the (mythical) thousands of pilots that have supposedly left CX and that no one will work for the airline according to the nonsense spouted by the haters on here perhaps some of you must wonder who is flying the aircraft on the now 63 routes that have so far resumed - in fact its mostly the same guys and girls that were flying these routes back in 2019

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Old 8th Jan 2023, 05:03
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When talking about such an extremely toxic employer, it naturally tends to be equally negative. Those who are stuck there without any options or ambition of course don't want to be reminded of the reality. So they lash out at reality based comments.
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Old 8th Jan 2023, 05:41
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
With the (mythical) thousands of pilots that have supposedly left CX and that no one will work for the airline according to the nonsense spouted by the haters on here perhaps some of you must wonder who is flying the aircraft on the now 63 routes that have so far resumed - in fact its mostly the same guys and girls that were flying these routes back in 2019
Hardly surprising, given the most recent traffic figures (Nov 22) show the airline is only operating just under 30% of its pre-COVID passenger capacity. Perhaps you should be asking yourself why more capacity isn’t being brought on more quickly, given the operating restrictions have been relaxed. Furthermore, ask yourself why the airline only aims to reach “full” (ie pre-COVID) capacity by the end of 2024.
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Old 8th Jan 2023, 06:05
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
With the (mythical) thousands of pilots that have supposedly left CX and that no one will work for the airline according to the nonsense spouted by the haters on here perhaps some of you must wonder who is flying the aircraft on the now 63 routes that have so far resumed - in fact its mostly the same guys and girls that were flying these routes back in 2019
63 routes but most are running at one to two flights a week! Even a start up airline can have 50 routes with 5 aircrafts as long as frequency is low!

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Old 8th Jan 2023, 14:56
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
With the (mythical) thousands of pilots that have supposedly left CX and that no one will work for the airline according to the nonsense spouted by the haters on here perhaps some of you must wonder who is flying the aircraft on the now 63 routes that have so far resumed - in fact its mostly the same guys and girls that were flying these routes back in 2019
Yep a seniority list which has shrunk by 30+% is mythical.. whatever makes you sleep at night I guess oldchina.
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Old 8th Jan 2023, 19:03
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So now we must fly sick against the HK ANO.... unless you call in sick on a Wednesday and it is also not a public holiday, not a festive holiday, not a training duty, not connected to your leave, not in an outport, not in any form of pattern.....basically you have to be missing a limb.
I wonder what the CAD thinks of this new policy.
Grow a pair. If you are unfit (sick, stressed, fatigued) call in sick. Simple.

If you feel intimidated or that the policy if unsafe contact HKCAD.
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 05:26
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Buzz Box -your info is way out of date = 45% by end January providing that enough aircraft back in service

Baby jet -you do write rubbish - I see many routes going back to daily or double daily inc AU, US, Japan London China destinations etc-4 to Manila today.
Best perhaps not to confuse what you wish with what is the reality

Mkand - so am I to assume those are mythical pilots flying the 63 operating routes
Many of you guys complained bitterly that the seniority list was too long and promotion too slow - still complaining = no change other than added bitterness that the airline is doing so well as of course is HK Express with more aircraft and routes almost weekly.

There seem to be a lot of Australians about again !
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 05:50
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
Buzz Box -your info is way out of date = 45% by end January providing that enough aircraft back in service.
So what? Yet again, you missed the point. The airline is currently operating well below full capacity and, according to official statements, expects to remain that way for quite some time. Why do you suppose the airline only aims to reach pre-pandemic capacity by the end of 2024, almost two years from now? Care to hazard a guess instead of continually gaslighting readers and ignoring statements made by the airline that don’t fit your narrative?

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Old 9th Jan 2023, 09:49
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
Buzz Box -your info is way out of date = 45% by end January providing that enough aircraft back in service

Baby jet -you do write rubbish - I see many routes going back to daily or double daily inc AU, US, Japan London China destinations etc-4 to Manila today.
Best perhaps not to confuse what you wish with what is the reality

Mkand - so am I to assume those are mythical pilots flying the 63 operating routes
Many of you guys complained bitterly that the seniority list was too long and promotion too slow - still complaining = no change other than added bitterness that the airline is doing so well as of course is HK Express with more aircraft and routes almost weekly.

There seem to be a lot of Australians about again !
Now you’re stating countries instead of routes…. You’re the one that writes rubbish! I was stating routes and although you think we got enough guys then explain to me why the last month (I have screen shots) my seniority went up about 10 spots but the actual list has shrunk about 40 pilots? Care to explain?
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 12:57
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Its the pilots! The pilots are responsible for the deteriorating conditions we hear about. There will always be weasels who will accept the poorer conditions just to get the job. In time, they too will be shafted by another group willing to accept even less and so it goes.
How do you go from one the best airline jobs in the world to how it is now in just 30 years. Sycophancy is the answer.
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 13:07
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Grow a pair. If you are unfit (sick, stressed, fatigued) call in sick. Simple.

If you feel intimidated or that the policy if unsafe contact HKCAD.
Sadly the CAD, has been and still is part of the CX group
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 16:03
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Its the pilots! The pilots are responsible for the deteriorating conditions we hear about. There will always be weasels who will accept the poorer conditions just to get the job. In time, they too will be shafted by another group willing to accept even less and so it goes.
How do you go from one the best airline jobs in the world to how it is now in just 30 years. Sycophancy is the answer.

Half of the captains have left...
Cathay can have 2 out of 3 of the following:

1. Enough pilots to run a full scedule.
2. Cos-18 paid pilots.
3. Good quality pilots.

we will see which 2 cx will choose...
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 18:17
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The old policy was bad enough. What is this new one now?
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Half of the captains have left...
Cathay can have 2 out of 3 of the following:

1. Enough pilots to run a full scedule.
2. Cos-18 paid pilots.
3. Good quality pilots.

we will see which 2 cx will choose...
Spot on, and they’re clearly choosing 1 and 2.

Instead of quality aviators, they’re choosing to count on modern aircraft being much easier to fly and the general dumbing-down of the profession. For the one aircraft we still operate that requires a modicum of skill, they plan to depend heavily on the remaining experienced skippers shouldering the load of flying with inexperienced guys and girls (several of whom only a few years ago would never even have been hired as S/Os, let alone checked to the line in the RHS).

For the rest, they plan on relying on blind luck (what could go wrong?) If the unthinkable happens, well, that’s what insurance is for. Much hand-wringing and navel-gazing will follow, as will words of condolence and a “full investigation“. Some heads will roll on the third floor, but by then realistically those actually responsible for this train wreck will have long since cashed their sizeable bonuses and waltzed off.

We really should know better in a safety-sensitive industry, but this is a repeating cycle that even Boeing fell for recently: in the tug of war between bottom-line-obsessed accountants and safety-obsessed engineers/pilots, if you let the balance sway too far in the direction of cost-saving, smoking holes are the inevitable end result.

Let’s hope our luck holds.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 01:52
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Let’s hope our luck holds.
No, let's hope Cathays luck doesn't hold.

I don't mean for anyone to get hurt but CX management need a few serious incidents to shake them up and stop hacking and slashing their staffs conditions...
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 05:35
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All that’s required is another recruitment policy where as Bokpiel highlights ‘ passports of no value in other countries’.

COS 18 will flourish on the back of a passport that carries little to no value…

Unless you go home of course, which eventually might be more beneficial than watching CX rewriting the handbook.
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 07:28
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Originally Posted by KABOY View Post
All that’s required is another recruitment policy where as Bokpiel highlights ‘ passports of no value in other countries’.

COS 18 will flourish on the back of a passport that carries little to no value…

Unless you go home of course, which eventually might be more beneficial than watching CX rewriting the handbook.
Unfortunately you are damn right, KABOY. Anyone noticed all the new recruited names in the FOP newsletter lately? Gonna need to install a prayer room on board soon.

CX will always get its way, unfortunately. The training ban did F all to them. Cos18 is doing F all to them. They will just keep dropping their standards and recruit from places with surplus pilots, whether they are up to par or not.
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