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I don't see a contradiction between your decisions and my comments. I know you don't want to belittle those who did not leave (yet), but maybe you see the situation too much from your own perspective. There are many people in HK who suffer and would want to leave but simply can't do so. People have different responsibilities, maybe a local wife, debt, the wrong passport, kids who are about to graduate in a school they like, a sick local mother-in-law, no command hours and maybe another year to get one in Cathay etc etc. To tell these individuals how better life is elsewhere, which is not exactly a state secret in the first place, or how stupid / masochistic/ blind/ obedient they are because they stay is not very helpful.
I don't see a contradiction between your decisions and my comments. I know you don't want to belittle those who did not leave (yet), but maybe you see the situation too much from your own perspective. There are many people in HK who suffer and would want to leave but simply can't do so. People have different responsibilities, maybe a local wife, debt, the wrong passport, kids who are about to graduate in a school they like, a sick local mother-in-law, no command hours and maybe another year to get one in Cathay etc etc. To tell these individuals how better life is elsewhere, which is not exactly a state secret in the first place, or how stupid / masochistic/ blind/ obedient they are because they stay is not very helpful.
‘You now seem content in defending those individuals who continue to endure COS 18 and HK. I think we know the reasons now, you don’t need to justify why these people live with this suffering.
Fragrant Harbor has become a forum where people will justify the insufferable conditions imposed on them.’
Do I need to keep quoting?
I appreciate the reference to being a BOY, it seems your intellect is arguing with someone on an immature level.
This is the intellect CX needs to keep pilots.
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Does anyone really care anymore. Those that have gone are living lockdown free lifestyles in the rest of the world, plenty of flying jobs for those who still want them. The boiling frogs that remain have a reason or justification for staying, good luck to them.
The real fun will be when the financial "analysts" realise that all of those not so shiny jets on the CX asset register have no one to fly them. Currently not even enough captains to fly the 20 odd 777s that are in Hong Kong let alone the 30 plus parked ones. Almost zero interest in the appalling contract offered HK express hiring and haemorrhaging crew to increasingly aggressive EK,QR and QF recruiters. If the best they can do is just crew an airline that is losing billions due to a massively reduced schedule, how on earth will they ramp up and ever return to profit?
GMA would be getting nervous, Directors need someone to blame for their mistakes
The real fun will be when the financial "analysts" realise that all of those not so shiny jets on the CX asset register have no one to fly them. Currently not even enough captains to fly the 20 odd 777s that are in Hong Kong let alone the 30 plus parked ones. Almost zero interest in the appalling contract offered HK express hiring and haemorrhaging crew to increasingly aggressive EK,QR and QF recruiters. If the best they can do is just crew an airline that is losing billions due to a massively reduced schedule, how on earth will they ramp up and ever return to profit?
GMA would be getting nervous, Directors need someone to blame for their mistakes
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Here in Canada…
Air Canada has 900 vacancies.
Porter is hiring DEC on the E195.
Morningstar is hiring 757 F/O.
Jazz is hiring DEC.
Flair is hiring.
Canada Jetlines just received their AOC.
Air Canada has 900 vacancies.
Porter is hiring DEC on the E195.
Morningstar is hiring 757 F/O.
Jazz is hiring DEC.
Flair is hiring.
Canada Jetlines just received their AOC.
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should have got rid of them all or at least put them all on long term unpaid leave.
must be the only Pilots in the world who have been paid fully for 2.5 years to do absolutely nothing.
The airline doesn’t need them except for filling the gaps on the jumbo.
off you go…
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Catlady, the salient ( and very obvious) point of Bokspiel is that nothing what you mentioned is in any control of us, independent of the fleet you are on. Blaming pilots for simply following their roster with 31 G's is silly.
Frank, sure, if you think a lot of people in Cx are like frogs, by all means. I personally have never met such an individual. In my experience every pilot is always looking at alternatives, market movements etc. From day one to his retirement. And then the individual differences. Surely a Senior First Officer has naturally a different perspective than a Captain 60 yrs+ etc. Generalisations are not helpful. But fair enough, I think you mean well.
See Eggs, I am not Canadian, as 95 % in here, but DEC for Jazz? That is 50k HKD before tax with a base in Halifax. No thank you.
Flying Clog, why is it that you guys are so keen to convince everybody else to quit? Cui Bono?? We all know our financial and family situation, we know how much we work, we know how much days we are in quarantine or waiting for a test result, all of it. And we also for sure know the jobs on offer. And I know that you yourself did not quit, but let go. Small detail. And I know what you earn and work now, not a bad job for sure, but really a lot of work for not a lot of money. Again, maybe it's still ok for a lot of people to leave anyway, their decision, fair enough! But with big pay sacrifices at stake ( except for Piet of course) at least it is debatable if leaving now, with most of it behind us, injallah, smart.. I miss that part in your and other's line of argument. The thing is: I accept your decision( if getting fired can be called a decision :-) but you mock the ones who don't leave. Think about that.
MrDid, I could not care less about the thoughts of anybody on any floor in CX. So we have not enough pilots? Great! I hope they get it wrong. I hope the opening up will get them into trouble. Profit of CX? I could not care less. Even in good times I got 5 months bonus or 200 HKD whatever is less. I don't get all that speculating on the crew bus about who flies what on which fleet in the future. Nobody knows anyway.
PS and to bring a bit juice into this sleepy forum: Early 2023 HK and China will open up and demand for air travel will explode.
Frank, sure, if you think a lot of people in Cx are like frogs, by all means. I personally have never met such an individual. In my experience every pilot is always looking at alternatives, market movements etc. From day one to his retirement. And then the individual differences. Surely a Senior First Officer has naturally a different perspective than a Captain 60 yrs+ etc. Generalisations are not helpful. But fair enough, I think you mean well.
See Eggs, I am not Canadian, as 95 % in here, but DEC for Jazz? That is 50k HKD before tax with a base in Halifax. No thank you.
Flying Clog, why is it that you guys are so keen to convince everybody else to quit? Cui Bono?? We all know our financial and family situation, we know how much we work, we know how much days we are in quarantine or waiting for a test result, all of it. And we also for sure know the jobs on offer. And I know that you yourself did not quit, but let go. Small detail. And I know what you earn and work now, not a bad job for sure, but really a lot of work for not a lot of money. Again, maybe it's still ok for a lot of people to leave anyway, their decision, fair enough! But with big pay sacrifices at stake ( except for Piet of course) at least it is debatable if leaving now, with most of it behind us, injallah, smart.. I miss that part in your and other's line of argument. The thing is: I accept your decision( if getting fired can be called a decision :-) but you mock the ones who don't leave. Think about that.
MrDid, I could not care less about the thoughts of anybody on any floor in CX. So we have not enough pilots? Great! I hope they get it wrong. I hope the opening up will get them into trouble. Profit of CX? I could not care less. Even in good times I got 5 months bonus or 200 HKD whatever is less. I don't get all that speculating on the crew bus about who flies what on which fleet in the future. Nobody knows anyway.
PS and to bring a bit juice into this sleepy forum: Early 2023 HK and China will open up and demand for air travel will explode.
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I full agree with much of STW's post -
Other than paras 1 and 5 - posted I feel out of frustration and genuine dislike of his employers actions. I disagree with him but he makes honest positive and useful contributions to this forum which is much more than can be said about much if the juvenile drivel posted by the hate brigade.
The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it.
Other than paras 1 and 5 - posted I feel out of frustration and genuine dislike of his employers actions. I disagree with him but he makes honest positive and useful contributions to this forum which is much more than can be said about much if the juvenile drivel posted by the hate brigade.
The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it.
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I full agree with much of STW's post -
Other than paras 1 and 5 - posted I feel out of frustration and genuine dislike of his employers actions. I disagree with him but he makes honest positive and useful contributions to this forum which is much more than can be said about much if the juvenile drivel posted by the hate brigade.
The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it.
Other than paras 1 and 5 - posted I feel out of frustration and genuine dislike of his employers actions. I disagree with him but he makes honest positive and useful contributions to this forum which is much more than can be said about much if the juvenile drivel posted by the hate brigade.
The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it.
Papa 123 'The airline is going to survive and prosper with or without you and so perhaps best get used to it'. This doesn't of course suit your 'hate' stance but you know that it is happening even now.
Another new A350 -1000 arriving next week I see.
Another new A350 -1000 arriving next week I see.
ACMS Are we to understand that you are an expert on Cathay aircraft needs......or perhaps just another prat with nothing better to do than post meaningless rubbish ...sad !
Maybe time to lay off the sauce whilst posting.
Prat aside, which he isn’t, what exactly are the boutique haemorrhaging cash airline with no real punters, a non existent network devoid of even transit pax, going to do with a brand new A50-1000 and it’s associated leasing costs etc. ? I suspect the only reason they’ve accepted it is at Airbus’ insistence.
