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Oneworld Cockpit Crew Coalition Condemns Treatment of Cathay Pacific Pilots

Old 13th Dec 2021, 08:51
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is it possible that CX is being set up for a major sell-off by Swire?.
Do you think? Can you ever see CX getting ahead under the CCP with Colonial Swire as majority shareholder? I bet GH's left nut, the restructure is what swire have been told to do, in order for the company to be sold to Air CCP.
Put the crew on POS18 contract (POS stands for "Piece of shit" media people)
Get rid of the uncontrollables (based staff)

I'm actually not convinced that life will get worse under Air CCP?
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Old 14th Dec 2021, 22:13
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Trade Alert: The Non-Executive Director Of Cathay Pacific Airways Limited (HKG:293), Merlin Swire, Has Sold Some Shares Recently

Investors may wish to note that the Non-Executive Director of Cathay Pacific Airways Limited, Merlin Swire, recently netted HK$217k from selling stock, receiving an average price of HK$7.23. While that isn't a lot of money, it was a substantial 100% of their holding, so certainly isn't a good sign.

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Old 14th Dec 2021, 22:29
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Don't think that means anything. HK$217k is couch change for Merlin.
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Old 14th Dec 2021, 22:37
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Originally Posted by Pistolpete47 View Post
Don't think that means anything. HK$217k is couch change for Merlin.
as stated above...
While that isn't a lot of money, it was a substantial 100% of their holding, so certainly isn't a good sign.
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Old 18th Dec 2021, 05:45
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“Hong Kong’s zero-Covid strategy has almost shut down the local aviation industry and its infection-control policies are “killing” Cathay Pacific, the CEO of Qatar Airways, the flag carrier’s third-largest shareholder, has warned.

“You can’t just shut the aviation industry [down] because somebody got infected coming in [on] someone’s aeroplane,” the outspoken airline chief said in an exclusive interview with the Post in which he also discussed the immediate fallout from the new variant’s spread and looked to the year ahead.“

What El Baker is trying to say is: get your act together otherwise I’m pulling out - shares at HKD 6.30 and dropping faster than the Turkish Lira

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Old 18th Dec 2021, 07:55
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for those who want to read the above article...

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Old 18th Dec 2021, 19:14
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a very good comment made on the above article 👇

"Do the health "experts" consider the tremendous adverse mental effects on pilots who have been quarantined repeatedly throughout the last two years? The effects of not having fresh air, sunlight, proper exercise and social interaction for up to 6 weeks at a time? Even a prisoner undergoing the 'cruel and unusual punishment' of solitary confinement, gets some daily time outside to exercise!
The fact that these crew are keeping Hong Kong supplied and we can still go to Wellcome and buy fruits and vegetables and other things? That people aren't panicking about empty grocery shelves and apples costing $300 each because these pilots keep the cargo flowing in and out of Hong Kong? The fact that 5 positive flight crew cases out of hundreds of thousands of covid tests in the past two years is proof that Cathay flight crew are actually very low risk and that the draconian measures on them should be relaxed instead of tightened? The fact that due to these quarantine measures, many crew haven't seen their families in 2 years and the harsh policies actually led to an increase in divorce, social disharmony and families breaking up? The fact that many people's livelihoods, and consequently their physical, financial, emotional and psychological health depend on their jobs in the aviation sector? Why not focus on increasing the vaccination rate instead of advocating increasing torture of flight crew and further strangulation and suffocation of Hong Kong?"
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 07:48
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It seems even madame evagram has had enough. Wouldn’t be surprised if our socialite calls it a day at cafay and go back to her former employer, to take over from captains again should they stuff up the approach
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 07:40
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Originally Posted by china123 View Post
a very good comment made on the above article 👇

"Do the health "experts" consider the tremendous adverse mental effects on pilots who have been quarantined repeatedly throughout the last two years? The effects of not having fresh air, sunlight, proper exercise and social interaction for up to 6 weeks at a time? Even a prisoner undergoing the 'cruel and unusual punishment' of solitary confinement, gets some daily time outside to exercise!
The fact that these crew are keeping Hong Kong supplied and we can still go to Wellcome and buy fruits and vegetables and other things? That people aren't panicking about empty grocery shelves and apples costing $300 each because these pilots keep the cargo flowing in and out of Hong Kong? The fact that 5 positive flight crew cases out of hundreds of thousands of covid tests in the past two years is proof that Cathay flight crew are actually very low risk and that the draconian measures on them should be relaxed instead of tightened? The fact that due to these quarantine measures, many crew haven't seen their families in 2 years and the harsh policies actually led to an increase in divorce, social disharmony and families breaking up? The fact that many people's livelihoods, and consequently their physical, financial, emotional and psychological health depend on their jobs in the aviation sector? Why not focus on increasing the vaccination rate instead of advocating increasing torture of flight crew and further strangulation and suffocation of Hong Kong?"

This is the only language they speak in HKG and should be our only leverage. STOP flying.

The company should have a duty of care and protect its employees and customers. However, When the fleet CP quotes in his newsletter that they "Have no line" when it comes to the Operation we should all be worried. GMO has done a great job since the first Protest keeping the operation running, with no help from his seniors, But the blind Determination to keep the show on the road and refusal to draw no line in the sand is complete negligence and will be one of the first things NTSB, ATSB, AAIB, EASA ect look at when things go at CX.

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Old 20th Dec 2021, 07:43
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Originally Posted by ToCatLady View Post
This is the only language they speak in HKG and should be our only leverage. STOP flying.

The company should have a duty of care and protect its employees and customers. However, When the fleet CP quotes in his newsletter that they "Have no line" when it comes to the Operation we should all be worried. GMO has done a great job since the first Protest keeping the operation running, with no help from his seniors, But the blind Determination to keep the show on the road and refusal to draw no line in the sand is complete negligence and will be one of the first things NTSB, ATSB, AAIB, EASA ect look at when things go at CX.

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It is sheer negligence.

Also, the CAD are entirely aware of the situation and refuse to offer any comment, insight or ruling. They are equally culpable.

Neither can say they weren’t warned.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 07:49
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Originally Posted by Cury Lamb View Post

“Hong Kong’s zero-Covid strategy has almost shut down the local aviation industry and its infection-control policies are “killing” Cathay Pacific, the CEO of Qatar Airways, the flag carrier’s third-largest shareholder, has warned.

“You can’t just shut the aviation industry [down] because somebody got infected coming in [on] someone’s aeroplane,” the outspoken airline chief said in an exclusive interview with the Post in which he also discussed the immediate fallout from the new variant’s spread and looked to the year ahead.“

What El Baker is trying to say is: get your act together otherwise I’m pulling out - shares at HKD 6.30 and dropping faster than the Turkish Lira
So let him pull out. No problem .
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 08:44
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Yes let him pull out. The only shareholder actually telling the HK gov to go forth and multiply. Then let China Eastern acquire the rest.
And Alhamdulillah, your airline is in full Chinese control. Sounds like a plan.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 09:46
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Yes let him pull out. The only shareholder actually telling the HK gov to go forth and multiply. Then let China Eastern acquire the rest.
And Alhamdulillah, your airline is in full Chinese control. Sounds like a plan.
Hong Kong Government paid billions to keep this legacy airline going. Everyone can make mistakes.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre View Post
Hong Kong Government paid billions to keep this legacy airline going. Everyone can make mistakes.
They did indeed. While the company is yet to touch a cent of these billions of taxpayer money, the reason the company was able to secure finance was because the HK government essentially became a guarantor of the debt.

But CX was not alone in securing government handouts to stay in operation. In Australia both Qantas and Virgin Australia received government assistance. However that didn’t buy their silence. Both CEO’s had the backbone to speak out publicly against ridiculous government rules and restrictions on the population and workforce.

As for Qatar selling their shares, I suspect Air China may be an interested buyer. As they already own the maximum shares permitted by legislation they’d have to announce a takeover bid. Potentially not great, but hard to think it could be much worse than being managed by our present silent weaklings,
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 12:32
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In Australia both Qantas and Virgin Australia received government assistance. However that didn’t buy their silence. Both CEO’s had the backbone to speak out publicly against ridiculous government rules and restrictions on the population and workforce.,
Ahhh, but these folks weren't going to be locked up by the aforementioned government for criticising their ridiculous rules and restrictions.......
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 08:39
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I don’t get why Swire is continuing to bother with China or care what orders they might receive for their airline?

Mainland property market is stuffed, bottling surely under review by Coca Cola for continued presence, leaving what? Marine supply? Sugar packets? Really hard to see what they would gain for their their continued commitment, compromises, and utter complicity

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Old 21st Dec 2021, 22:01
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Cathay pilots stuck in 'perpetual quarantine'!

Hong Kong Covid: The Cathay pilots stuck in 'perpetual quarantine'

"Aircrew have been on an aeroplane for upwards of 25 hours, sometimes closer to 30 hours if there are any delays," says Clark*, another Cathay Pacific pilot.

"They have to sit on a plastic chair and can't sleep, waiting for the tests. The whole process takes about four hours from the time you've landed to the time you get home."

If they test negative, they get to go home - but they're still not free.

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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 05:12
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I can't understand why there is a single Pilot left at Cathay Pacific who has the ability to leave, notwithstanding locals who can't, you have my full sympathy.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 06:30
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I can't understand why there is a single Pilot left at Cathay Pacific who has the ability to leave, notwithstanding locals who can't, you have my full sympathy.
Because they are clinging to the hope that the owners will reappraise their value to the organisation and remunerate them appropriately.
Good ruck!
The owners are already contemplating how to remunerate you less. After all, you let them take the last chunk off you without so much as a whimper!
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