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How times have changed.

Old 18th Sep 2021, 10:29
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Its not just about money . I am back home now for the last 6 months and having the quality of life I have here makes it not a very difficult decision of what to do !
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 12:52
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Just waiting for a start date.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 14:49
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It was ALWAYS about the money. It was enough to do without seasons, fresh air, clean water, forests, lakes, mountains and what most would consider a real life.

Not that we couldn't mitigate that to a certain degree through vacations, basings or commuting.

But honestly, what is left now?

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Old 19th Sep 2021, 02:55
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stop kidding yourself! You pay only 15% tax on your income. The tax difference alone more than offsets living costs and pays for your housing! Try living in Australia and losing 45% of your income to the tax man. All other expenses are a lot cheaper than the western world. It’s time to stop biting the hand that feeds you and be grateful that you have kept your job through the pandemic and still getting paid. Qantas pilots would love to be in your shoes right now. If elsewhere was better you would of already left.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 03:43
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All other expenses are a lot cheaper than the western world.
That's not correct.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 04:30
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https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...atchComparison
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 06:45
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funny how you had to choose Johannesburg for the comparison. Yes that would be a lovely place to live with your family right? Have to sleep with a loaded gun in your bed to protect yourself. Feel free to move there if it is so peachy! Oh wait all the Saffas are fleeing that country...
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 07:32
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well there’s an idiot that deserved cos18.

revel in it loser!
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 07:56
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Well, if comparing your market leading con...contra.....handbook, with Garuda et al. helps you sleep at night then good for you. What happens when the next Friday newsletter comes out, and buried away in there is a line or two about another reduction to your.......handbook? Still market leading? What about the Friday after that, or the one after that? Yes, 100+ is probably an overestimate but crew will still leave in high numbers. People just don't enjoy spending 20-30 years working for an employer that doesn't value their contributions. One that constantly attacks you and seeks more for less. Oh yes I forgot, they told us in one of the Friday newsletters they appreciate us. Life's all better now. The way a company shows it values you is it rewards you. Continued employment with the company during Covid isn't a reward either. They aren't some charity. They haven't fired you because they need you in the future and it's cheaper to do it this way. Once you get past your ego and see this job for what it is now, you realize it's no longer worth doing. Flight crew used to be paid well and have proper rostering practices for a reason, the job is detrimental to your health and relationships. The contracts of old were a way to make it a feasible career however there's no way to reconcile what is on offer now against the toll the job takes on your life. The prospect of leaving for no immediate flying job or starting a completely new career doesn't even enter the conversation. So pick up that bonus rating or hit the 10 year mark. It's been made beautifully simple now. That's one thing we have Cathay management to thank for.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 08:07
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Better than being spineless and just moaning on PPRuNe about the company with empty threats of leaving without actually doing so. Cowards, hoping for others to take the leap off the cliff rather than jumping yourself. I for one appreciate still having a job and realising how good we actually have it compared to the rest of the world. If you are so resentful against the company then do your mental health, your family and rest of us some good and just leave. Although no other airline would hire a cx pilot because of what princesses you are. Some of you are well overdue for a wakeup call like the KA guys and gals who would love to have their job back. Bet none of them will moan about the company again.

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Old 19th Sep 2021, 08:33
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Give it time.... Give, it, time! Even the most grateful will eventually turn. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 09:01
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My Dragonair mates are mostly relieved they got pushed out of HKG - it's a toxic dump, and most are happy to be shot of the place. Even leaving the industry altogether and pursuing other opportunities outside aviation is preferable to putting up with this madness.

So you're welcome to the place noboloco. Good luck to you
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 17:13
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I'm fairly convinced Cathay will be gone in 1-2 years. The current situation is simply not sustainable. Perhaps not by their own complete ineptitude and idiocy, which they've been practicing really really hard on for decades, but more pushed off the edge by the HKG health authority and a final gentle push by Beijing.

Either way, you're mentally deranged if you think it's a good idea staying here, the place is well and truly !

It used to be worth it, for the money, to operate as a rather well paid whore and get rich in 10-20 years, spread your ass cheeks, commute to a 'normal' country with good quality of life and family (normallity), which many of us did and of course struggle to do now. It's all about the work/life balance. Which is non-existent now.

But now we can walk away with a million euros or so cash in the bank from property and pension/P fund. I'm personally walking away from HKG with 1.5 million euros in cold hard cash from my flat and the P fund. Good !

CX has conspired to put a stop to the 'good deal' to attract foreign talent, and good luck to them. There is no local market for cheap pilots in Hong Kong, but maybe they can scrounge a few 3rd world pilots with fake logbooks to paper over the cracks until they crash an airplane and have a bit of a wake up call. Good luck to Cathay in your new endeavour.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of jobs around for current 747 pilots.

I, for one, am well and truly out of this toxic dystopian dump! Bye!

I can't wait!
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 23:44
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so when are you leaving? Why are you still even here? Thought you were off to drive a lorry in the UK. Posts from yours about your 22,000 euro/month salary from back in 2016 and you stating how you wouldn’t get out of bed for anything less. Yet here you still are... you for one are full of
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 01:02
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I left some time ago. Because I am not a loser like you and refused to devalue myself. I moved on to a better life than the old B scale.

I guess if you are a 200hour hero, you actually have no worth to justifying charging for it. COS18 is probably all you are worth.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 01:45
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The guys I know at Qantas, Air NZ, Emirates and a couple of USA carriers are all pleased to be where they are. Some have been stood down, but will return to work on previous conditions, others are working as hard as they ever have and are been paid at pre-covid levels.

The hand that feeds me has decided to feed me 40% less rather than follow the contract and cut as required in accordance with LIFO.

I suspect you are an inexperienced pilot who thinks they are hot stuff, joined on POS18, don't have a partner and kids and are pleased the company didn't chop you. Your comments are so far removed from the reality most CX pilots face I hope you are just a management troll.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 02:05
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again if it is so bad hurry up and leave. You deserve to have your contract deteriorated because you have no spine to stand up for yourself and rather just winge on PPRuNe about it than taking action. Do you think management care about your anonymous rants on here? Go find that unicorn job that pays or treats you better.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 03:32
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Nob, people aren't even bothered about finding a job that pays more. A job that pays less but brings a better balance to life has become more desirable for many now. You seem to have that typically greedy HK mentality. Money, money, money at the expense of everything else. Finding an employer that treats you better isn't difficult, however I'm guessing you have no experience of that.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 07:06
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if you want a better life balance maybe you are in the wrong career. I’ve seen the rosters of other airlines like EK, QF and ANZ and what we have in cx is way better in terms of days off, annual leave, ability to proffer or swap flights etc.

I think some of you are confusing pandemic control measures as if it is some sort of draconian rule by Cathay. Pilots worldwide are suffering from the same sort of isolation requirements imposed by the local governments. But cx pilots are too self centred to realise that.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 07:30
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Pandemic control measures? I look forward to COS18 being reversed once the pandemic is over then!
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