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How times have changed.

Old 4th Sep 2021, 15:44
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Maybe the Lamb Curry should apply the new FDMM to solve the Covid crisis
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 06:07
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You have no idea what the Cathay guys have gone through? Did I read that right? Being paid and sitting at home and having 600+ SO’s that worth nothing in this aviation world, whilst locals were displaced? Who’s the moron here? MORON!
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 08:34
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Moron? Everybody here is a moron. You are, I am and the proof is people( morons ) paying brand new price for jeans with holes in them.... Now who's the moron?
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 10:10
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wait, sitting at home having a great time, partying 24/7 and getting paid for it for the last +1.5 years?! I'm sorry, but if there are 3 people out there that resign because they can't do a few weeks away from home, well then that says something. (hence why I said they must have a very rich hubby to fall back on) It will not be forever, if you have to "sacrifice" a few weeks every month or two, then why is that so bad? The problem comes from guy & girls with a silver spoon mentality that have never had to wash their own dishes, let alone do their own laundry. No one is asking you to screw yourself over, or work for free (even thought the 777 crew are having the time of their lives all for free!) Would it not be fair to say, wow CX has given me +1.5 years of free money, maybe I could help them out for a few weeks until all this settles down, if that takes 1 year or 2, so be it. It will not be forever, rosters, time off, normal flying will return.

There are those who did actually sacrifice a lot to get into CX, like the Saffers on contract away from home for 2 months plus on rotations in crap countries in shocking accommodations, military pilots who are away just as long if not longer etc, they did it for 10x longer time periods. It's not the end of the world and a 747 rating is incredible to have.

And no I'm not a company man or a commie from the Mainland, but I do hate silver spooners who moan.

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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:30
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There is writing on the wall, and while I commend your optimism It does not reflect the gravity of the situation.

The fiirst recovery will be / is domestic air travel.

​The second is travel within unions / partnerships. EU or Canada - US, HK - mainland as examples.

​​​​​​The third is intercontinental. The leisure marked will not return to this segment for many, many years, maybe never. Point to point travel to HK is not enough, Cathay sells transit between Asia and the rest of the world. That puts the airline in the worst possible situation considering virus mutations and the highly ustable travel advisories being constantly amended. The lack of standardised vaccine passes, various vaccines being used and the different amount of doses being applied to various populations compunded by the out-of-synch regional outbreaks makes for grim propects of intercontinental travel.

And that's before even mentioning the political situation in HK. A gweilo airline has no future in that landscape.

Just saying.

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Old 5th Sep 2021, 13:12
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"A gweilo airline has no future in that landscape." - I think the plan has clearly been that it WON'T be such an airline in the foreseeable future - it will be another Chinese airline but with a higher than average number of non-Chinese pilots - for a while............

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Old 5th Sep 2021, 13:45
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My point exactly. Politically, it's a non-starter to even insinuate that a Chinese airline needs non-chinese pilots. For the manpower, perhaps, but not because they bring anything to the table that the Chinese don't already have. Cathay has been insinuating that point for 73 years; the Asian airline with a western mindset, which does not fly well in Beijing (pun intented). .

Of course you can argue all day long about culture, CRM, experience, adaptability and just culture, but it will be an absolute waste of time because it all comes down to politics.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 03:39
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Cathay can still sell transit if the airport can handle the movement of people without infections
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 06:46
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You're really not getting it. What transit passengers? Going from where to where? You're not going to see any recovery in transit before you see a rise in point-to-point.

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Old 6th Sep 2021, 07:07
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Relatively big numbers are still able to transit. The Chinese were using CX when the 5/1 was in place as it was a guaranteed jump back to the states.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 07:10
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" but it will be an absolute waste of time because it all comes down to politics."

and economics - why pay expats when you can pay locals?
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 07:14
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But it's not about the ability to transit. It's about the global movement of passengers of which CX had a significant share. That global movement of passengers is not coming back anytime soon, perhaps never.

Carriers that operate domestically or within regions / unions will see a significant recovery on much shorter timelines.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 08:08
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Donít tell NC this, as he/she/it/LGBTQ+/XYZ/E=MC is adamant that the good times will come flying back to HK and CXit
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 09:34
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Oli777

Have you already forgotten about the 40%+ permanent pay cut? That part is certainly forever. Not that it matters to me, I voted with my feet!
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 10:03
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"I'm not a company man" after saying we should help them out....
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 10:55
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Still better than those who probably had to take a paycut forever….
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 20:49
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Putting the main aspect of this thread aside for a moment, of what possible “value” is a B747 type rating? Is anyone looking for rated 747 pilots? Seems like an A350 or B777 rating would be far more useful for the years ahead.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 01:15
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Yep, Atlas and Kalitta to name two, and the 777 rating is useful there as well. If you have the right to live and work in the US that is.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 01:45
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I flew the -400. Nice to fly. So, if your sitting on your ass and haven't any Boeing time, grab the -8 rating. If it doesn't work out for you quit.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 01:52
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A number of the European B744 freight operators are recruiting/have recruited recently. Some of them also have a large contingent of pilots from legacy carriers waiting to return when seats become available after their fleets were closed down. This will generate jobs for people with B744 ratings.

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