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Quarantine gone crazy!

Old 14th Sep 2021, 21:47
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BA & VS both just recently resumed layovers. Sent to a quarantine hotel after test & hold and obviously arenít allowed to leave their rooms this time (much to their disgust)
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 16:58
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Singapore living with Covid latest.
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 18:32
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They are making the logical choice with the vaccination levels they have.
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 18:49
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Cases are not important. How many are dieing daily?
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 19:06
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not many yet, but there is a lag between new cases and deaths, so look again in two weeks.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 06:31
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It's about to get a lot worse


Maybe it is time to base crew out of HKG, at mid-way points, to do an extended duty shuttle. I can see closed loop and extended duties becoming compulsory. What are you going to do about that?

As more and more countries open up it will be normal to have been infected with covid, this problem will only get worse for CX if the HKG Government carries on with their dumb policies, to keep PEK happy. Can't let anything interfere with the propaganda to be had from a glorious peoples winter olympics.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 07:41
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If only we had a network of bases around the world to facilitate that.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 08:45
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Lion City is following Israel.How is it working over there?
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 09:41
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Good question, Israel is just coming off a peak of infections.
Last peak in January, the infection rate was 981 per million with a resulting death rate of 7/million per day at the peak of deaths
This infection peak is at 1254 (25 percent higher than last peak) per million with a death rate of 3.8 per million (about 50 percent lower)
So now there are 25 percent more infections, resulting in a 50 percent lower death rate.

The difference is caused by the vaccinations, in January, 0 percent fully vaccinated and 10 percent 1 dose only. Now 63 percent fully vaccinated and 69 percent at least one dose.

So Israel is doing a lot better.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 10:34
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Well every country will have to go through this phase. If you are 80% vaccinated would you still expect the country to close up forever? If you are unlucky and infected your body has more immunity and antibodies than a jab. So with both the jab and the infection, the covid in that country will eventually be like a flu.

Also, all covid virus have the same incubation period. In fact, a shorter time for delta. 21 days or 14 days quarantine is nonsense. The same covid strain from the UK incubates just the same amount of time as the strain from NZ.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 14:21
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Hong Kong Won’t Open Up Before Vaccination Hits at Least 80%Felix Tam17 September 2021, 09:57 GMT+8Hong Kong won’t consider shifting its zero-tolerance Covid-19 strategy to one of “living with the virus” until the vaccination rate is 80% to 90%, with its fate tied to how China approaches reopening, said a top virus adviser to the government.

“Covid Zero is not a long-term policy, we can try to boost the vaccination as much as we can during this policy,” said David Hui, a professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong who leads an expert committee that advises the government.
A community vaccination center in Hong Kong, earlier in August.

Photographer: Paul Yeung/Bloomberg
“When we have about 80% or even 90% of vaccination rate, we may consider living with the virus instead of maintaining the zero target,” he said in an interview with Bloomberg News on Thursday. Even then, Hong Kong will still be led by China’s strategy, he said, adding that the 80-90% target rate would preferably be of the entire population and not just those eligible for vaccination.

Hong Kong Tests Boosters for Sinovac Users as Protection Wanes

The city is still far from that vaccination milestone, with just 58% of residents having been vaccinated with an initial dose, according to Bloomberg’s Vaccine Tracker. That lags rival financial hubs, with Singapore at 82%.

China, meanwhile, has fully vaccinated 70% of its population but has doubled down on its zero-tolerance approach and has no plans to open up further to the outside world. With Hong Kong’s priority being easing curbs at the border with the mainland, the city will continue to be led by what China does, even if its vaccination performance improves, noted Hui.
A traveler leaves the arrival hall of the Hong Kong Port Passenger Clearance Building of the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge, on Sept. 15.

Photographer: Chan Long Hei/Bloomberg
China Has Fully Vaccinated More Than 1 Billion People

“Hong Kong is in a dilemma now: international chambers have been putting pressure on the government due to the quarantine policy while China is still aiming for zero infections,” he said. “If Hong Kong doesn’t follow China’s policy, it is impossible to reopen the border with them.”

Hong Kong’s travel curbs are coming under growing criticism as other places that previously kept infections low through similar rules, like Singapore and Australia, pivot toward treating the virus as endemic. The city’s quarantine measures, which mandate isolation periods for as long as 21 days, remain some of the strictest in the world and are fueling concerns that the financial hub could be left behind as others reopen.

Meanwhile, its vaccine effort is hitting a wall, with bookings falling to a record low on Sunday. A large swathe of the population is refusing to get inoculated, especially the elderly: Only 13% of people aged 80 and above have received at least a dose.
Hui said that opening the border with the mainland, crucial to Hong Kong’s economy, is not up to the city. Beijing has not given “definite instruction,” he said, “but we have to maintain no local cases for a consecutive period with a high vaccination rate.”

Hong Kong has reported just two unlinked local cases in the past three months. Neither led to further transmission, making it one of the most Covid-free places in the world. Yet the continued isolation is hurting its reputation as a financial hub where global businesses gather.

Hui said that it remains to be seen if abandoning the zero-tolerance approach is feasible even when inoculation is widespread.

Even Singapore is now “under pressure” though its vaccination rate is over 80% and the rate is high among elderly, said Hui. Singapore is now seeing daily infections approach the four-figure mark as it slowly reopens.

“So, this direction may be a bold experiment like gambling for now,” said Hui.

(Updates third paragraph on definition of vaccination rate.)
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 15:36
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Absolutely unchecked roughshod by the chief advisor.

I particularly like the bit where he says it might not be feasible to live with Covid even after widespread vaccination. Excellent, so ermÖ

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Old 18th Sep 2021, 00:01
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Just look at that vaccine plateau. Too bad they are all so senseless here. Should be expecting a wave of delta to go through any time soon. It'll clear out the population enough that that 65% will become 80% overnight.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 06:40
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It seems the older public is perfectly content with not traveling and is not worried about catching covid. Maybe they don't have the means to travel anyway and it is quite comfortable and safe in their walled city.
The government is actually doing a fine job in keeping the virus out, so we're in a stalemate.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 06:57
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HK is one of the most Covid free places in the world so by that metric the government is doing extremely well, most of the population donít travel anyway and seem quite happy with the situation.
Many pilots havenít flown for well over a year so hanging around here in the hope of eventually getting current again may be the best option for now. Longer term, when you consider the cost of education and housing here CX and HK are not a viable expat option.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:08
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Getting current is the issue though. Hit 2 years and there is a few laps around an airport doing base training plus the sims before that. Even attempting to get back on line will be painful. It's going to be a big cluster when/if it all goes back to fully operational.

Someone in the other thread was talking about converting HKD to other currencies... I think the guy first saying that has no idea of the costs here. What is the cheapest reasonable rent for a family in Hong Kong? 15k in Tung Chung? Plus tax/school fees/leisure and food there is zero left anymore for a SO/FO.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 00:50
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15K in Tung Chung gets you a commuter pad, small for one, tiny for a family. Zero or worse left for many CX pilots.

Historically CX pilots real savings were gained by buying multiple apartments over their career. No longer an option.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 13:43
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I sold my multiple pigeon holes in 2015 because the leasehold were only up to 2047.After which all land titles except ST George Church land returns to mainland.
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Old 20th Sep 2021, 19:28
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I think there is going to be a lot of pigeon hole flat selling going on for the next 12 months, and then we'll move on to stage 2 of our lives, sans crappy pathetic.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 02:07
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Cody, a little off topic... however, since 1997 PRC already owns all land in HK including St Johns Cathedral as stated in the Basic Law. All land in HK is leasehold except St Johns Cathedral. Most leases expire 2047 (except HK Island which is mostly perpetual, with a few 999-year leases dating back to the 1800s too). HK Gov has already stated there are 30,000+ leases expiring in 2047 and they intend to renew them all (most likely through legislation).
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