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So Cathay is now recruiting!

Old 4th Jun 2021, 14:09
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As a based crew coming to grips with the company’s actions, I can only imagine how incredibly insulting it is for a former Dragon Air pilot to receive this offer. Click here to reapply for your old job .......
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 23:05
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It’s not even their old job. Dragon Air captains can apply for jobs as FOs. It will be a long wait to get their command back. Any manager in CX sold their soul before they sat at their desk. Piet, I’ve wondered too.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 23:42
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It will be a long while before anyone gets a job - even current CX Airbus folk are hardly doing max hours.

If you apply now, you may see a start during the mass exodus later next year, so donít get your hopes up of seeing a CX flight deck anytime soon.

These recruitment ads are about signalling to IMMD, rather than a burning need for pilots at the present time.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 01:06
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My thoughts exactly. I hate to put on the foil tin hat, but my suspicions are that CX and IMMD must have reached some sort of agreement to allow for the renewals of working visas. Look everyone! We care about PRs/local guys and we are starting a huge recruitment drive to prepare for when flying resumes! CX has never been a forwarding thinking airline. If they had any foresight at all, they would have put the KA guys on furlough and call them back when the time came, perhaps even throwing in a sim once in awhile to keep them current. Just saved yourself hundreds of millions in severance pay and retraining costs. I am sure most guys would have been happy to help.

The fact of the matter is flying will not return to "normalcy" any time soon. CX has a surplus of pilots at the moment. The only reasonable explanation for this is to salvage however many of the work visa guys by putting on a show for the HK gov. They will probably "hire" a handful of individuals only to put them in a holding pool indefinitely. I understand the difficulties of being unemployed as a pilot in the current climate. But perhaps it is wiser to bite the bullet and find greener pastures elsewhere, rather than taking a slow stab of the knife in the face, twice.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 01:52
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Absolutely. It's also not unreasonable to assume the basing decision was influenced by that 'agreement', despite all the other excuses that were provided, most of which were nonsense or could have been mitigated if they'd tried.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 02:56
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Dragon pilots can get command if they sell their soul at HKE. I cannot see anyone actually wanting the job for any reason other than currency before escape. The wage is unaffordable for the lifestyle the old boys had before.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 09:07
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I hadn't thought of the KA guys going to UO. It might be better for some than driving suburban busses and at least UO will get them current in the left hand seat.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 13:42
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JJ, I would be delighted if those were the figures, which even though a fraction of the previous remuneration is a living person wage for a DINK household in HK. (Double Income No Kids), until there are better offers in the rest of the world.

However the figures that I have been led to believe by the bamboo network are less than half of that. I do sincerely hope that you are right.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 15:58
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Yes. Join up to an airline with no routes / slots and best of all, no kit.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 19:07
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Application

Interviews given by 3rd floor ex cadet now the worldly King of Training.
Looking for younger talent, must bring picture of wife 😳
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 22:59
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Imagine being a Dragon Capt now offered a CX POS18 FO slot, flying the same routes as before, in the same aircraft (except for the paint scheme and callsign). Get current, renew CV, get out.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 01:20
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The thing I find ok about this is that they are being offered because they expressed interest in positions if available. I would assume that if the Dragon pilots did not express interest in joining another company then they would have not received the email.

You cannot blame CX for at least getting in touch in this situation (even if the jobs are not up to the expectations). Also needing to add that beggars can't be choosers. You don't join an airline (pre-cos18) bypassing seniority.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 02:11
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A "Recruitment" process does not necessarily translate into any actual jobs.
I think a culling process followed by a long time on a hold file followed by a small number of jobs in a few years when the current staff are all gainfully employed again... maybe.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 02:19
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Originally Posted by Rie View Post
Dragon pilots can get command if they sell their soul at HKE. I cannot see anyone actually wanting the job for any reason other than currency before escape. The wage is unaffordable for the lifestyle the old boys had before.
Not if you're a local, where are you going to go?
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 03:25
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Oddball, as other are saying you go to GBA. It looks to be the company with the best career opportunities for an Ex-Dragon pilot. The change in company environment from KA to CX would not work all that well with a large number of people. The two have vastly different ideals in the management and operational style.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 05:05
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On a thread drift, where does this put P2X licences that have been extended to 5 years because of no FO upgrade positions available? CAD care to comment? Just going to keep rewriting your own rules I guess.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 10:58
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Daft Question ?

Originally Posted by Oddball77 View Post
Are ex KA local pilots willing to accept HKE'S COS21? That's the question.
Of course they would all accept. Real Pilots love to fly and need to fly.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 11:17
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Just spotted this ad as well by HKE,Company : HKexpress

Contract type : Full Time

Aircraft type : No Type Rating

Job location : Hong Kong

Job published date : 2021-06-01

Job expiry date : 2021-06-16

Monthly salary :
DEAR TALENT, YOUR MOVE!

Being the new rising airline since 2013, we are the Hong Kong’s only Low Cost Carrier (LCC) offering you safe and flexible service options to Hong Kong and beyond.

We’re on a mission to inspire you to be different, to shake things up, to inspire the spirit of adventure by bringing you to fascinating destinations that few others serve.

Spread your wings and fly with us!


Qualifications:
  • Hong Kong Permanent Resident
  • COVID-19 Vaccination Certificate
  • Minimum 3000 flying hours with 1000 PIC hours on Multi-Engine Jet or Turbine Aircraft; 500 PIC hours of flying experience should be civil registered transport aircraft certificated for multi-crew operations
  • A minimum of 2500 hours in multi-crew operation
  • Holder of a valid Multi-Engine ICAO ATPL with Instrument Rating accepted by HKCAD
  • A valid Radiotelephony Operator’s license
  • A valid Class 1 Medical Certificate
  • ICAO English level 4 and above
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 12:00
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of course nobody tursts cathay. They have zero credibility as an employer anymore and there's nothing they can do to fix that going forward. Being a cathay pilot you no longer work under an employment contract. (Cos18 is not a contract as it is not binding on both parties. It can be amended in any way at any time. At best it's a simple company policy document)
Even if they offer you a real contract in desperation to get enough pilots, they've proven by legal precedence that even a proper looking contract you sign with them isn't worth the toilet paper it is signed on.

Only idiots and desperates will come to fly for cathay now. And both will leave for two separate reasons in short order in a revolving door manner. There's the issue of parked planes and canceled flight due to no pilots in cathay's near future.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 14:28
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Cathay Culture

I for one am very concerned about the introduction of ex KA aircrew to the ranks.

Understandably these men and women will be very hostile towards their former employer and have incredible chips on their shoulders about the events of the COVID era. I can see now that the mass recruitment of ex KA staff into the Cx ranks will cause some serious issues. If management think simply
offering them all positions will make things better then we really have much bigger issues than we believe.

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